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To: Honey_Bee who wrote (1190264)1/3/2020 9:15:09 PM
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still impeached, live with it, nobody can erase history



To: Honey_Bee who wrote (1190264)1/4/2020 8:32:59 AM
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Trump DID get impeached. Live with it, you nasty little troll.



To: Honey_Bee who wrote (1190264)1/4/2020 8:43:40 AM
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As soon as Putin gave him the order over the weekend, Trump started blabbing to everyone around him. He told Eric and Miss Lindsey but no one else in Congress.

Trump Told Mar-a-Lago Pals to Expect ‘Big’ Iran Action ‘Soon’

IN THA CLUB

Attendees of a closed-door Senate briefing didn’t get much more clarity than the club guests did. Instead, officials spun Soleimani’s slaying as a way to “de-escalate” tensions.

Spencer Ackerman

Asawin Suebsaeng

Erin Banco

Betsy Swan

Updated Jan. 04, 2020 3:40AM ET / Published Jan. 03, 2020 8:00PM ET


In the five days prior to launching a strike that killed Iran’s most important military leader, Donald Trump roamed the halls of Mar-a-Lago, his private resort in Florida, and started dropping hints to close associates and club-goers that something huge was coming.

According to three people who’ve been at the president’s Palm Beach club over the past several days, Trump began telling friends and allies hanging at his perennial vacation getaway that he was working on a “big” response to the Iranian regime that they would be hearing or reading about very “soon.” His comments went beyond the New Year’s Eve tweet he sent out warning of the “big price” Iran would pay for damage to U.S. facilities. Two of these sources tell The Daily Beast that the president specifically mentioned he’d been in close contact with his top national security and military advisers on gaming out options for an aggressive action that could quickly materialize.

“He kept saying, ‘You’ll see,’” one of the sources recalled, describing a conversation with Trump days before Thursday’s strike.

Trump’s gossipy whispers regarding a “big” response in Iraq foreshadowed what was to come. After hours of silence, senior officials in the Trump administration argued that what had taken place in Iraq was not an act of aggression. Instead, they said both publicly and behind closed doors on the Hill that killing Qassem Soleimani was designed to “advance the cause of peace,” as U.S. Special Envoy for Iran Brian Hook put it in a Friday interview.

Those Mar-a-Lago guests received more warning about Thursday’s attack than Senate staff did, and about as much clarity. A classified briefing on Friday, the first the administration gave to the Hill, featured broad claims about what the Iranians were planning and little evidence of planning to bring about the “de-escalation” the administration says it wants.

According to three sources either in the room or told about the discussion, briefers from the State Department, Pentagon, and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence claimed that killing Soleimani was designed to block Iranian plans to kill “hundreds” or even thousands of Americans in the Mideast. That would be a massive escalation from the recent attack patterns of Iran and its regional proxies, who tend to kill Americans in small numbers at a time.

“They claimed that killing Soleimani was designed to block Iranian plans to kill ‘hundreds,’ even thousands, of Americans. That would be a massive escalation from Iran and its proxies, who tend to kill Americans in small numbers at a time.”

“This administration has absolutely not earned the benefit of the doubt when it makes these kinds of claims. When you’re taking action that could lead to the third American war in the Middle East in 20 years, you need to do better than these kinds of assertions,” said a Senate aide in the room. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has also said publicly that the Iranians planned to kill hundreds of Americans before Soleimani’s killing.

Nor, said four sources who requested anonymity to discuss a classified briefing, did the briefers provide detail on a key question surrounding an act of war against a regional power: what next?

Administration representatives didn’t provide specifics. Instead, they reiterated that the U.S. seeks to de-escalate tensions with Iran after killing one of its top military officials —a major emphasis for Pompeo in his calls to foreign dignitaries Friday. How the Trump administration plans to do that remains unknown, particularly now that the Pentagon confirmed the 82nd Airborne’s Immediate Response Force brigade will deploy to Kuwait. Administration officials provided instead “a vague expression of wanting to de-escalate but no clarity on what de-escalatory steps look like,” according to the Senate aide.

“To talk about de-escalation now is absurd, in a way, because Iran will react,” said Rob Malley, a senior Mideast official in the Obama White House. “The de-escalation decision should have been taken before the assassination of Qassem Soleimani.”

Iranian officials on Friday threatened the U.S. with a military response following the killing of Soleimani and Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, the leader of the Iranian-backed Popular Mobilization Units militia in Iraq. It remains unclear exactly how Tehran will strike back, but current and former U.S. and Iraqi officials say Iran has a range of options at its disposal. And Tehran’s ability to strike doesn’t depend on Soleimani to lead the Quds Force, sources say.

“Soleimani was a bad guy, but it’s not like the [Quds Force] depended on him to operate. The idea that the Quds Force had attacks in the works and now it doesn’t because he’s dead is obviously false.”
— former State Department official Jarrett Blanc

“Soleimani was a bad guy, but it’s not like the [Quds Force] depended on him to operate,” said Jarrett Blanc, a former State Department official who worked on Iran policy. “The idea that the Quds Force had attacks in the works and now it doesn’t because he’s dead is obviously false. It’s not clear why killing Suleimani changes the threat profile.”


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But on Friday, the Trump administration continued to portray the killing of a military commander of a country the U.S. is formally not at war with as an act that would lead to peace. In an interview with BBC radio, State Department official Brian Hook said the strike was “a very necessary thing to do.” And from a podium in Florida, Trump said the U.S. “took action last night to stop a war,” he said. “We did not take action to start a war.”

Then Vice President Mike Pence falsely suggested Iran was behind 9/11. Pence tweeted that Soleimani and his Quds Force “assisted in the clandestine travel to Afghanistan of 10 of the 12 terrorists who carried out the September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States.” Not only were there 19 attackers, but an incredulous ex-CIA counterterrorism analyst wearily noted that it “sounds like he’s directly tying Soleimani to 9/11.” The 9/11 Commission, as a different ex-CIA analyst tweeted, found that Iran had no advance knowledge of the attacks.

According to two sources familiar with the Senate briefing, another item of discussion was the prospect of Iraqi parliamentarians forcing the U.S. to withdraw–something they did in 2011 against the desires of a previous administration. But that isn’t the only major decision Iraqis have to take in the wake of the Soleimani and Muhandis killings.

An Iraqi official, speaking on background, told The Daily Beast that the strike on Thursday seriously complicates the already-arduous process of forming a new government after mass protests forced U.S.-backed Prime Minister Adil Abdul-Mahdi to resign in November. Abdul-Mahdi currently acts as a caretaker PM.

“At the very least, it furthers division in the country and raises the political temperature,” the Iraqi official said. “We need de-escalation and this is the mother of all escalations.”

Back at the Pentagon, spokeswoman Alyssa Farah portrayed the Soleimani killing as an “opportunity” for Iran “to turn from its terrorist past and cease its unlawful, aggressive escalatory attacks.”

In a statement summarizing the Senate briefing and a companion one in the House, Farah said the administration briefers made the point that “we do not seek escalation with Iran, and have taken appropriate measures to ensure the safety and security of U.S. citizens, forces, partners and interests in the region. They also reinforced our commitment to allies and partners in the region.”

Iran may have other plans. Ali Khedery, a hawkish former U.S. adviser in Iraq, expected the Quds Force to “aim to assassinate either a [CIA] station chief or an American flag officer, somewhere in the region.”

thedailybeast.com



To: Honey_Bee who wrote (1190264)1/4/2020 8:48:05 AM
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Too bad the Iranians didn't invest in a Mar-A-Lago membership. He blabs out secrets at the buffet line.



To: Honey_Bee who wrote (1190264)1/4/2020 8:49:14 AM
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Plus blabbing about secrets at Mar-A-Lago gives his fatcat swamp donors an opportunity to do some insider trading.



To: Honey_Bee who wrote (1190264)1/4/2020 8:52:24 AM
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Polly Sigh? @dcpollMore
Polly Sigh Retweeted Chris Megerian

"When Trump’s national security team came to his Mar-a-Lago resort Monday, they weren’t expecting him to approve an operation to kill Suleimani." Because there was no "imminent threat" or immediate plot to kill Americans? Didn't think so.

Polly Sigh added,

Chris MegerianVerified account @ChrisMegerian
President Trump’s national security team gave him several options on Iran in a meeting at Mar-a-Lago on Monday. One was targeting General Suleimani. He surprised them by choosing that option, ?@DavidCloudLAT? reports. …

So where DID he get the idea? He'd been blabbing about it for days (to Eric and Miss Lindsey and the gang at the Mar-A-Lagi buffet line).


Hint: Putin



To: Honey_Bee who wrote (1190264)1/4/2020 10:04:33 AM
From: Brumar89  Respond to of 1576893
 
What R Kelly, Planned Parenthood, and Trump supporters have in commonL


TheValuesVoter? @TheValuesVoterMore
Many in the black community were protective of Kelly at the time. Attempts to prosecute him for the crime he was caught on tape committing were seen as an attempt to bring a successful black man down. Others in the music biz, who relied on the gravy train, looked the other way.More

R. Kelly, the singer, accused child molester and current criminal defendant, was captured on video committing crimes against children. Those who saw the tape said it was Kelly. The FBI said it was Kelly. Kelly said it wasn’t him. And his adoring fans believed him. Despite video.More

So here is the second example which reminds me of the way that people can dismiss reality when they choose to not accept it. And how they can close ranks on people who do bad things. Who they feel a bond with and a need to protect.More

Which reminds me of the Trump phenomenon. Trump does something bad. Bad and verifiable. But he says he didn’t. And suddenly, no matter how much proof exists that he did it, his supporters cannot be convinced that he did. And his political allies quickly follow suit. It’s fake.

Their political backers quickly got in line too. “The tape that showed negotiation over baby organs? You mean the FAKE tape???” You could not convince them that the tapes were real even though the real tapes were online for all to see.

PP denied it and said that the tapes were altered, even though the full, unedited videotapes were also available to everybody. PP’s supporters bought it, even though the explanation defied the fact that the full tapes were also available to everybody.

One of the things that always reminded me of how Trump supporters deny reality was back in 2015 when Planned Parenthood was caught on videotape negotiating prices for the organs of aborted babies.More

A lot of us wonder how people can see Trump do certain things, even when there is solid proof that he did them (like lying or cheating) and yet deny that it happened. Proof doesn’t matter. I’ve pointed out before one parallel to this behavior. Another one came to mind recently.



To: Honey_Bee who wrote (1190264)1/4/2020 10:06:28 AM
From: Brumar89  Respond to of 1576893
 
Trump repeatedly claimed in 2011 and 2012 that Obama would start a war with Iran to win reelection

cnn.com

Because Trump knew that's what HE'D do.