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To: Baoho Chang who wrote (6001)	1/24/1998 8:18:00 PM
From: Woody_Nickels	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 11555

Baoho, unfortunately for President Bill he's in a position of respons- ibility and secrecy. This position requires greater character than any other job on earth. If the President of the US is a philanderer and liar then the press and law enforcement feel obligated to expose him.(no pun intended) In the past such indiscretions were ignored or hidden, but the middle class of America is basically puritanical and more demanding of our leader at this time. We'll have to wait and see what happens. My 'good book' says 'judge not lest ye be judged'. And our Constitution says an accused is innocent until proven guilty. Some sort of justice will prevail.

To: Baoho Chang who wrote (6001)	1/24/1998 9:44:00 PM
From: Hippieslayer	Respond to of 11555

Something needs to be clarified about the power that Ken Starr has. His techniiques are legal. Let me repeat, they are legal and used by law officials all the time. Starr's power is derived directly by the Attorney General, Janet Reno who was appointed by the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, BILL CLINTON. A three judge federal panel granted Kenneth Starr's power to look into the matter at hand, as well as the other aspects of Whitewater He is not a loose cannon. He is not vicious. Remeber something, the White house has done everything to stall, hide, and obfuscate documents that STarr has requested. The dragging of Whitewater isn't just about Starr trying to find dirt but the WH trying to delay giving him the documents that he's requested. I will grant you that Reno should have appointed a new counsel for the affair allegations. There is something more to why Reno granted Starr this privlege. I will spare the expalanation here. If you want you can e-mail me and I will try to clarify for you why these events have happened. Had the tables been turned, you can bet that the democrats would have acted in the same fashion against the Rebulicans. Ever here of the October Surprise? Also remember that it was the Democrats that created the monster of the SPECIAL PROSECUTOR. DEMOCRATS ARE NOW EXPERIENCING THE DESTRUCTIVE NATURE OF THEIR OWN FRANKENSTEIN. And now they're whining. We shall see what becomes of this very soon. Sincerely, Fugazi

To: Baoho Chang who wrote (6001)	1/24/1998 10:49:00 PM
From: Rob S.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 11555

The self-rigthious logic of the entire "morale majority" scares me. Its clear we need a morale imperitive in conducting matters of state, but it is not at all to my liking that any political body should impose their moral beliefs on the nation. I think that the real motivation behind this Clinton scandal is the Nixon Watergate scandal. The Democrats played the thing to the limit and the combined political and media forces made Nixon look like satan incarnate. I think that a lot of Republicans swore that they would one day get even by turning the tables on the dems. The major reason that the American political system has worked as well as it has is because of the dynamic tension between the three branches of government. One big diference with the Clinton scandle than that of Nixon is that Nixon's crimes were direct attempt to illegally control the political process. Clinton's problems reside with questionable personal ethics. While it can be argued that the President owes it to the country to have high morale standards and to set an example, this is not central to the his responsilities nor is he out of step with the filandering of past presidents. Jewinski and her mother will probably end up writting a few books and movie scripts and make millions. And who knows, the right wing of the republican party may elect a four square preacher to head the country (and the US may sink into self-righteous isolationism).

To: Baoho Chang who wrote (6001)	1/24/1998 11:09:00 PM
From: Gordon Quickstad	Respond to of 11555

(Off topic) What you are witnessing is the eqalitarian nature of the United States, not a slippery slope to a police state. We don't treat the high office of the Presidency as a license for all manner of self serving deeds as they might in a third world or totalitarian state. We expect the holder of that office to be sincere and hold common values, much like we expect for ourselves. Secret police aren't usually associated with harming the powerful so much as their being used (historically) to keep the less powerful in check through false accusations and imprisonment. That you would invoke the image of Clinton being harmed by a secret police manuver speaks volumes as to the powerful way that he can manipulate his image to be a plain man of the people. What we have here is a very powerful man using his power seemingly in this instance to snag women. I take offense at that because that is not what he was given the power for. Perhaps his power has gone to his head and not the head you're thinking of. President Kennedy and Bob Packwood also come to mind as abusers of the power given to them in this sort of way. I expect these people in high office to be satisfied with their publicity, legislation, and inevitable inclusion in history books for the short time they're in office and not use it for sexual conquest as well. Gratuitous sex is too powerful a license to give someone in such a position of trust. Let him go back to Arkansas and hang out in a piano bar for that.

To: Baoho Chang who wrote (6001)	1/25/1998 9:16:00 AM
From: OldAIMGuy	Respond to of 11555

Hi BC, <off Topic> I've chosen to just not watch the news until this blows over. It brings back hauntings of the Nixon era and the witch hunt that took place back then. I really don't want to know the details! Luckily, there's only a small percent of the population that is in the media business. The rest of us have a choice as to whether we watch or not. I believe you will find that K. Star is the exception rather than the rule. Best regards, Tom

To: Baoho Chang who wrote (6001)	1/25/1998 11:31:00 AM
From: flickerful	Respond to of 11555

baoho... <Ken Star[r]> he scares alot of us... i would like to think this kind of mentality was more prevalent during the days of alger hiss, joe mcarthy, or j.edgar hoover. sometimes it feels like a time warp. but, i assure you there are countervailing authorities. however, tragedy and/or persecution has to be trotted out full bore before we may see a balance struck. randy

To: Baoho Chang who wrote (6001)	1/26/1998 2:34:00 PM
From: Joseph E. Caiazzo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 11555

Baoho Chang: I'm glad you posted your story about the secret police in China. It is about time the citizens of this country realize that we now have a lot more to fear from the Kenneth Starrs of this world than from a President who screws a clerk. In the last 20 years a stream of decisions has come down from the Supreme Court that has shredded the rights afforded under the constitution and there hasen't even been one major news story about it. If Ken Starr gets away with this, it will institutionalize a permanent committee of inquisition of a sitting president. And if it can be done to a president....it certainly can be done to you. JEC