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To: koan who wrote (431110)2/27/2020 11:46:44 AM
From: cosmicforce  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 543457
 
You need to go back and look how he (FDR) groomed himself (partially paralyzed by polio) for consumption. Bernie is inept in this regard by comparison.

A long fireside chat with Bernie would induce a fair number of instances of self-harm. He just rubs me (and a lot of people) the wrong way - I can't imagine working on a four-year project with him.

Here's a sample:
millercenter.org



To: koan who wrote (431110)2/27/2020 11:50:59 AM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 543457
 
"FDR was a super Democratic socialist"
No; he wasn't.
How FDR Saved Capitalism
hoover.org
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"People get dictatorships with socialist names mixed up with Democratic socialism"
No shit, but it's a bit late to be thinking, "I could have avoided all this by calling mice elf a democratic capitalist." It's gonna get a lot worse before it gets better, cuz, long before Bernie started saying ,"Denmark Sweden", he was saying "Cuba Venezuela", and there's about $1B in ad money just waiting to remind America of that fact, no doubt with scenes of people starving in the dark in Venezuela.
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"Democratic socialism is like what they have in every western democracy in the world."
They all have democratic capitalism. Sweden and Norway have more billionaires per capita than we do.


Democratic capitalism, is an economic system that combines capitalism and a strong welfare state curbing the excesses of individual freedom. The coexistence of capitalism and democracy, particularly in Europe, was supported by the creation of the modern welfare state in the post-war period which enabled a relatively stable political atmosphere and widespread support for social democracy as opposed to Soviet communism. [1]

en.wikipedia.org



To: koan who wrote (431110)2/27/2020 1:22:34 PM
From: bentway  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 543457
 
FDR:

historyisaweapon.com

'..The thirties and forties showed more clearly than before the dilemma of working people in the United States. The system responded to workers' rebellions by finding new forms of control-internal control by their own organizations as well as outside control by law and force. But along with the new controls came new concessions. These concessions didn't solve basic problems; for many people they solved nothing. But they helped enough people to create an atmosphere of progress and improvement, to restore some faith in the system.

The minimum wage of 1938, which established the forty-hour week and outlawed child labor, left many people out of its provisions and set very low minimum wages (twenty-five cents an hour the first year). But it was enough to dull the edge of resentment. Housing was built for only a small percentage of the people who needed it. "A modest, even parsimonious, beginning," Paul Conkin says (F.D.R. and the Origins of the Welfare State), but the sight of federally subsidized housing projects, playgrounds, vermin-free apartments, replacing dilapidated tenements, was refreshing. The TVA suggested exciting possibilities for regional planning to give jobs, improve areas, and provide cheap power, with local instead of national control. The Social Security Act gave retirement benefits and unemployment insurance, and matched state funds for mothers and dependent children-but it excluded farmers, domestic workers, and old people, and offered no health insurance. As Conkin says: "The meager benefits of Social Security were insignificant in comparison to the building of security for large, established businesses."

The New Deal gave federal money to put thousands of writers, artists, actors, and musicians to work-in a Federal Theatre Project, a Federal Writers Project, a Federal Art Project: murals were painted on public buildings; plays were put on for working-class audiences who had never seen a play; hundreds of books and pamphlets were written and published. People heard a symphony for the first time. It was an exciting flowering of arts for the people, such as had never happened before in American history, and which has not been duplicated since. But in 1939, with the country more stable and the New Deal reform impulse weakened, programs to subsidize the arts were eliminated.

When the New Deal was over, capitalism remained intact. The rich still controlled the nation's wealth, as well as its laws, courts, police, newspapers, churches, colleges. Enough help had been given to enough people to make Roosevelt a hero to millions, but the same system that had brought depression and crisis-the system of waste, of inequality, of concern for profit over human need- remained.

For black people, the New Deal was psychologically encouraging (Mrs. Roosevelt was sympathetic; some blacks got posts in the administration), but most blacks were ignored by the New Deal programs. As tenant farmers, as farm laborers, as migrants, as domestic workers, they didn't qualify for unemployment insurance, minimum wages, social security, or farm subsidies. Roosevelt, careful not to offend southern white politicians whose political support he needed, did not push a bill against lynching. Blacks and whites were segregated in the armed forces. And black workers were discriminated against in getting jobs. They were the last hired, the first fired. Only when A. Philip Randolph, head of the Sleeping-Car Porters Union, threatened a massive march on Washington in 1941 would Roosevelt agree to sign an executive order establishing a Fair Employment Practices Committee. But the FEPC had no enforcement powers and changed little...'