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To: RetiredNow who wrote (154415)3/15/2020 3:48:21 PM
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After much reading, WhatsApp-ing, Skyping, Zooming, and pondering by back-of-mind osmosis whilst napping, i am scared of the coming week.

Monday / Tuesday should see one up-day, and if Monday, i shall even get out of far away from money TSLA Puts Message 32603833 because the distance may not be far away enough
More clear that Wall Street did not see this coming, and have not clue where going. Deers in headlights come to mind ...

bloomberg.com

Wall Street Gets Blindsided by the Coronavirus Meltdown“

Most people were like me. They were like, ‘Yeah, whatever, it’s not that big a deal.’”
More stories by Max AbelsonMarch 13, 2020, 10:17 PM GMT+2



A pedestrian approaches a subway station near the New York Stock Exchange.

Photographer: John Taggart/Bloomberg
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Some of the world’s most famous hedge fund managers gathered on Sunday night at the Capital Grille near Rockefeller Center, a steakhouse where the double-cut lamb chops with mint gremolata run $53. There was John Paulson, who made his billions from the housing collapse that helped trigger the last financial crisis. And David Einhorn, who came out on top when the dot-com bubble burst. And Dan Loeb, who got rich by baring the sharpest teeth.

But these masters of capitalism, brought together by Goldman Sachs Group Inc., were lacking their usual swagger. Instead, they spent the night trying to grasp what was going on as the coronavirus known as Covid-19 raged around the world and a fight between Russians and Saudis hurled the oil market into chaos, according to people there. The fallout could resemble the 2008 crisis, the 2001 collapse, global chaos in 1998, or something else—the very investors who made their fortunes from them weren’t sure. They stared into phones that told them stock futures were falling so much that trading would soon be halted.

Then things got worse. Markets were in chaos on Monday and rebounded on Tuesday before the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell into a bear market on Wednesday for the first time in more than a decade. That was nothing compared with Thursday, Wall Street’s bleakest rout since 1987’s Black Monday. By day’s end, the coronavirus, now officially a pandemic, had killed at least 4,740 worldwide and infected more than 128,390. Even with a Friday bounce, it was a brutal week.

Billionaires and bosses at the top of Wall Street didn’t see things getting so bad so fast. Even when the executives who run the biggest banks gathered for a sit-down Wednesday at the White House, they had little to offer skittish markets. Much of Wall Street’s wealth, pride, and chutzpah spring from its ability to stay a step ahead by understanding and managing risk. But these giants seem as bewildered as everybody else. If they have lost the ability to prepare for chaos and profit from it, that could be because this catastrophe is rooted in the real world, not a financial one.

“I didn’t think this would happen, I thought people would calm down,” said Marc Lasry, who co-founded the $10.5 billion investment firm Avenue Capital Group and co-owns the Milwaukee Bucks. “Most people were like me. They were, like, ‘Yeah, whatever, it’s not that big a deal.’” Until Wednesday, Lasry said, he “totally misunderstood this virus.”

“We’ve never experienced anything like this”

That morning, in a skyscraper near Central Park, top financial and corporate figures were still calm enough to chuckle at a joke from New York’s governor about hand sanitizer. While executives pecked at salad and chicken during a board meeting of the Partnership for New York City, an industry group, Andrew Cuomo appeared on a video screen. “The governor presented how he’s got upstate prisoners making 100,000 gallons of sanitizer a week,” said Kathy Wylde, who runs the organization. “And he asked the Wall Street bankers if they’d like to take it public. They all laughed.”

The partnership’s board includes billionaires, finance leaders, and other top executives. “They have a far better sense of ‘This too shall pass,’” Wylde said after the meeting ended. “Right now, it’s a health problem for a certain vulnerable group, it’s a psychological crisis for everybody else, and it has the potential to be a huge economic crisis. But it’s not, yet. And they clearly all believe it’s going to be managed.”

The heads of the biggest U.S. banks skipped the meeting because they were posing for photos with President Donald Trump in Washington and trying to reassure markets. Encouraging words didn’t work—then or later, when Trump delivered an error-laden address from the Oval Office. The next day, Wylde’s mood was grimmer. “The sense from today is that the pandemic is going to last longer and impact the economy more seriously than we realized,” she said.

Last month, even as the coronavirus was spreading outside of China, Wall Street was its usual roaring self. On Feb. 21, Lloyd Blankfein traded barbs with Bernie Sanders on Twitter, where the former Goldman Sachs boss saidthe presidential candidate “wants to feel hated because HE hates.” On Thursday, the billionaire said it was time to “go all-in on social separation and all-in on financial relief to those most economically vulnerable.”

By then, Goldman Sachs had told its employees that a worker in a gym at its Jersey City, N.J., office was suspected of having contracted the virus, Morgan Stanley and Wells Fargo & Co. both had confirmed cases, and Barclays said the virus had hit its New York trading floor.

Gary Cohn, Goldman’s longtime president before he became Trump’s top economic adviser, said the Saudi news on Sunday was an “Oh, my God” moment. He texted friends and traders: “Hey, look, we’re going to have a bad day or two.” On Thursday, he arrived early for a 12:30 p.m. lunch at Oceana and was the only guest in what’s usually a Manhattan hotspot. “It was empty,” Cohn said. “That was another ‘Wow.’”

At about the same time, across the street from Goldman’s headquarters, three men who work for the bank were ordering a second round of IPAs at P.J. Clarke’s. The only one of the three not sporting a vest said he was worried about the effects, pointing at a TV showing a basketball game between Florida State and Clemson that had just been canceled. One of the other men said he could handle working from home for two weeks, but not two months. That day, Goldman told employees to work from home in staggered shifts.

“We’ve never experienced anything like this,” Bill Daley, who oversees government relations for Wells Fargo, said on Thursday. He was once President Barack Obama’s chief of staff. “Yeah we had economic collapses, ’29 or ’08, but this is a whole new world.”

Emanuel Derman, a Columbia University professor who runs a program in financial engineering, said Wall Street executives may not have seen this coming because they don’t understand the pressures on regular people. “I do think financial people live in a different world,” said Derman, a former Goldman Sachs managing director. “It’s their job to think about how other people will react. Maybe they can’t do that.”

On Sunday night in Manhattan, not everyone atop Wall Street’s hedge fund world was eating steak at the Capital Grille. One owner of a multibillion-dollar fund was trying to get a few hours of sleep so he could make it to an early morning appointment. He was in his Midtown office to start trading by 3 a.m., hours before the rest of the city woke to the start of a chaotic week.

— With assistance by Olivia Rockeman, and Sarah Ponczek



To: RetiredNow who wrote (154415)3/15/2020 10:25:14 PM
From: sense  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 217800
 
FENY and FDVV first... a technical note...

They both share the same pattern I keep seeing everywhere...

Sets of three... a red candle, a higher hanging man, another red candle... then a huge drop to a lower level where you get another set of three... and a drop...

Right now, a red candle on the left, and another hanging man... and on Monday ?

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But, I'm leaning more toward... charts don't matter... and who the hell knows what's going to happen tomorrow... that's not about "continuation" ?

If there's a continuation happening now... what is continuing is that the knife continues falling... and while the dynamic is suspended, as the markets are closed... there's no way to get a feel for where you are in that dynamic... when it isn't dynamic.

Should point out that the charts actually validate that view... because ATR > 6... makes the charts a mirage... essentially introducing a randomizer in relation to "predictability"... which is always and only about a guess in "continuation" of a pattern... The pattern I do see being followed... is the one that mirrors the market in 1929... with no reason to think that means ending the fall now at 20% or whatever, instead of 80% ?

Reality is still... we have some major structural problems in the markets... bubbles built on top of bubbles... AND we have a virus that's going to be shutting down the economy...

Volatility, right now, greatly exceeds threshold limits in which you can expect the positive in any "market pressure" from a chart pattern to contain the choices of behavior in what happens next...

Because its you and me chatting about charts ? If I were trading against you... maybe I could count on your reasoning ability in not going against the obvious in the chart ?

But, there's George in Peoria, who can't go to work tomorrow because of coronavirus... Remarkably enough, he's not heard anything about what's happening in the stock market... just doesn't pay it very close attention... but with the time to kill, he checks his stocks... freaks out... calls his broker.... and NEVER EVEN LOOKS at a chart...

Will the market, on Monday, be dominated by chart readers ?

If so... what will they be likely to do ? And if not... well, they're seeing red... and probably not buying ?

Every indication I see, charts and not... says tomorrow probably isn't a day in which the majority will be bottom fishing for great deals... I think that optimistic impulse, itself, is an artifact of not yet understanding... of not yet fully feeling... that the change we see occurring now is still early... still that as a bull first becomes bloodied by a bear. The bear doesn't just walk away from that first encounter after smelling and tasting the blood ? Is it flowing in the streets yet ?

BTFD And you thought you were above that ? It's ingrained in the culture after years of it working... even us perennial pessimists who see clearly what others have to ignore... are inured of the irrational exuberance routinely over-coming our rational analysis proving TEOTWAWKI is just around the corner...

That, in a nut shell... is why I'm doubting any element in my own expectations right now... ?

So, most will not be bottom-fishing... rather than freaking out about what's happening... just coming to grips with "change" for the first time ? Odds are very high that the non-market happenings that only REALLY TAKE HOLD on Monday... will ALSO dominate the market choices being made. But I also can't discount the efforts of officialdom trying to interfere with normal market functions that don't help THEM... to sell what they're selling. So, will they go nuts (at least saying they're) committing your tax money in futile efforts to back themselves up... propping up the markets with crazy policy initiatives ? You're damn right they will...

They won't get it done on Monday.

But, will they say that... and convince people... on Monday ?

I think it is not likely, even impossible, that they'll have anything in a "done deal" by tomorrow... which still doesn't prevent them from trying to dominate the news with TALK about all the great stuff "they're going to be doing"... ? Trust us... we're going to stop the market from pricing in the events that ARE happening ?

Or, they might just close the market, at some point ?

And, the assumption made in that above... is that whatever they say next... it will be designed or have the effect of a positive ? And, there's an implicit assumption that the news already out now... is fully developed and ensures everyone understands what the issues are ?

There is more bad news that is yet to come... as certainty... the timing mostly driven by math, now...

Coronavirus: Prepare For National Lockdown
Seems the "its just the old people" thing... isn't being borne out in the non-Chinese experience.

People just don't fully understand that, yet. Welcome to your local branch of Wuhan Flu, coming sooon?

The rest... is "buy low". Divvies might get cut, of course, almost always do... making the best long term divvie plays the ones that pay nothing when you buy them at a bottom... and then grow fast enough over time that in a few years the divvie pays you what you paid to buy the stock each quarter...

I do think there's some obviousness in the timing... as far as how long this event lasts. China isn't exactly leaping back to "just like things were before" after 2 + months of a steady descent into hell...

Note the depiction of "Chinese math" in the link above... as the exponential growth suddenly flat-lines ?

When will the market look up and see light on the horizon ? Depends, largely, on how much impact the event has as the ripples spread out, even those ripples being enough that they'll be taking things apart, before that light becomes apparent...

Government action... will be profligate... QE / TARP / Repo has always been FAKE liquidity... channeled into the banks solvency issues, and into the stock market, only... so having almost zero real impact in the real economy... beyond offering the headline shouting "things are great... because look at stocks"...

How much might that change, now... ? No one is anticipating the hot air that's been inflating bubbles in things... being turned off now ? Only expecting more... only expecting more won't be enough ? Yeesh.

But... profligate... doesn't mean only in terms of crazy financial largesse ? They ARE going to impose "lock-downs" if and when required... to "flatten the curve"...

That doesn't work right now... in people's perceptions ? Financially, those are effects that are not being discounted yet in the market... and, then, if all they give us is more of the same in FAKE liquidity ?

Then... the wheels will come off... if the reality isn't matched by the REAL response. They are not going to bluff their way through this. How much can and will Congress do ? And how much impact will that have on people's sanguinity ?

And, what impact will that have on markets ? The markets... really aren't the first priority now ? Just that will be hard for a lot of the market participants to come to terms with...

Thus far... the ATR > 6 argument is winning... because its valid for the entire market... so even individual issues with ATR < 6... are being driven along by the tide in the larger market trends ?

At some point, reason will return to dominate emotion in the trade... and a bottom will get put in.

But that won't happen until the ACTUAL RISK can be perceived as "managed"... When will that be ?

Then, whatever happens on Monday... I don't think its going to define "the bottom"... which almost never is defined in "accelerated" circumstances ? Often, extreme divergences in brief deep lows... are only predicting where the issue will trade routinely without those kinds of accelerations soon enough...

Last verse of The Hollow Men:


Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.

Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow

For Thine is the Kingdom

Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow

Life is very long

Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow

For Thine is the Kingdom

For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but with a whimper.