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To: fastpathguru who wrote (36159)	3/20/2020 11:14:27 AM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 73777

The narrative of a Communist country suppressing free speech, especially when it has dire consequences is such a strong magnet that it prevents people with a certain political bent from thinking at all. FUBHO isn't in fact an idiot, from some posts he made way back he published a textbook on supercomputers (IIRC). Which makes it all the more mind-boggling that he posts such idiotic comments without stopping to think about what the USA has done. Its quite true the Chinese could have been at only 5% of the cases, HK, Singapore, and Japan are all below that slope and by a good deal! But China went first, everyone else had more warning. So to claim that the Chinese results were so awful, and largely due to suppression of the whistle-blowers is nonsense. China had 100 identified cases around the 18th or so of Jan. We had 100 cases around March 3 or 4. So we had 6 weeks of excellent warning, yet our response is shortly going to be worse than China's. Its a WTF moment that anyone would bash the Chinese while overlooking our response. We should be WAY below the Chinese, and indeed several other countries have shown that before us. And what makes it really funny is that our response is in fact due to politics, in some ways a mirror of the Chinese. Trump and the rightwing media downplayed the virus and a large fraction of those with rightwing leanings bought into that crap. So while government censorship hurt the Chinese, our free press of bullshit as perfected by Fox News and other rightwing nuts is what fucked the USA. How funny!

To: fastpathguru who wrote (36159)	3/20/2020 11:34:45 AM
From: neolib	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 73777

What I actually find shocking is that there isn't much in the way of good analysis published on the expected delta from specific countermeasures. I.e. closing large gatherings will have x% impact, shutting down air travel y%, using face-masks, all home isolation, takeout dining, etc. Doesn't the science of epidemiology know these sort of thing? If one values freedoms, then having data that supports trade-offs in choosing restrictions vs the economic impact would be nice to have. But I haven't seen a single article that attempts to show any of that.