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To: carranza2 who wrote (155520)3/29/2020 9:09:25 AM
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here is new incoming ...

‘They’, and in this case whomever ‘they’ may be, are setting us up for script change, and if so, if ‘we’ are scientific, we wait and see, and if not, ‘we’ script-in, by pencilling in the margin, and say we know. As I noted, I do not know. Not yet.

Best to maintain info share, whatever the info, else we are not only flying blind, but also without much fuel and out of range of all airports.

I find it all fascinating.

And, yes, I realise there are dangers at many levels, including for each and everyone of us, personal and danger.

scmp.com

Coronavirus: pathogen could have been spreading in humans for decades, study says

Virus may have jumped from animal to humans long before the first detection in Wuhan, according to research by an international team of scientists Findings significantly reduce the possibility of the virus having a laboratory origin, director of the US National Institute of Health says Dr Francis Collins, director of the US National Institute of Health, who was not involved in the research, said the study suggested a possible scenario in which the coronavirus crossed from animals into humans before it became capable of causing disease in people.

“Then, as a result of gradual evolutionary changes over years or perhaps decades, the virus eventually gained the ability to spread from human to human and cause serious, often life-threatening disease,” he said in an article published on the institute’s website on Thursday.

In December, doctors in Wuhan began noticing a surge in the number of people suffering from a mysterious pneumonia. Tests for flu and other pathogens returned negative. An unknown strain was isolated, and a team from the Wuhan Institute of Virology led by Shi Zhengli traced its origin to a bat virus found in a mountain cave close to the China-Myanmar border.

The two viruses shared more than 96 per cent of their genes, but the bat virus could not infect humans. It lacked a spike protein to bind with receptors in human cells.

Coronaviruses with a similar spike protein were later discovered in Malayan pangolins by separate teams from Guangzhou and Hong Kong, which led some researchers to believe that a recombination of genomes had occurred between the bat and pangolin viruses.


Doctors in Wuhan began noticing a surge in the number of people suffering from a mysterious pneumonia in December. Photo: Handout

But the new strain, or SARS-Cov-2, had a mutation in its genes known as a polybasic cleavage site that was unseen in any coronaviruses found in bats or pangolins, according to Andersen and his colleagues.

This mutation, according to separate studies by researchers from China, France and the US, could produce a unique structure in the virus’ spike protein to interact with furin, a widely distributed enzyme in the human body. That could then trigger a fusion of the viral envelope and human cell membrane when they came into contact with one another.

Some human viruses including HIV and Ebola have the same furin-like cleavage site, which makes them contagious.

It is possible that the mutation happened naturally to the virus on animal hosts. Sars (severe acute respiratory syndrome) and Mers (Middle East respiratory syndrome), for instance, were believed to have been direct descendants of species found in masked civets and camels, which had a 99 per cent genetic similarity.

There was, however, no such direct evidence for the novel coronavirus, according to the international team. The gap between human and animal types was too large, they said, so they proposed another alternative.

“It is possible that a progenitor of SARS-CoV-2 jumped into humans, acquiring the genomic features described above through adaptation during undetected human-to-human transmission,” they said in the paper.

“Once acquired, these adaptations would enable the pandemic to take off and produce a sufficiently large cluster of cases to trigger the surveillance system that detected it.”

They said also that the most powerful computer models based on current knowledge about the coronavirus could not generate such a strange but highly efficient spike protein structure to bind with host cells.

The study had significantly reduced, if not ruled out, the possibility of a laboratory origin, Collins said.

“In fact, any bioengineer trying to design a coronavirus that threatened human health probably would never have chosen this particular conformation for a spike protein,” he said.

The findings by Western scientists echoed the mainstream opinion among Chinese researchers.

Zhong Nanshan, who advises Beijing on outbreak containment policies, had said on numerous occasions that there was growing scientific evidence to suggest the origin of the virus might not have been in China.

“The occurrence of Covid-19 in Wuhan does not mean it originated in Wuhan,” he said last week.

A doctor working in a public hospital treating Covid-19 patients in Beijing said numerous cases of mysterious pneumonia outbreaks had been reported by health professionals in several countries last year.

Re-examining the records and samples of these patients could reveal more clues about the history of this worsening pandemic, said the doctor, who asked not to be named due to the political sensitivity of the issue.

“There will be a day when the whole thing comes to light.”



To: carranza2 who wrote (155520)3/29/2020 9:13:54 PM
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You can go wayyy back to the Silicon Investor discussion about sars and then H5N1 from 2003 with Henry Niman as the registered expert. Search him on Google for more recent decades.

We had this whole WuFlu thing buttoned down then. Since then we have just been waiting for the day that one of the corona viruses combined with a regular human flu in one individual [viruses can mate and swap DNA]. The descendants of those combined viruses could have the lethality of the killer parent with the contagion of the regular human flu.

Very fortunately, this WuFlu has very low lethality around 5% of those infected and maybe lower if early treatment with hydroxychloroquine, zinc and the antibiotic is as effective as is reported.

If we got the short straw and the disease was a humanized H5N1 we would be in serious trouble with about 60% or even 70% mortality and a remnant economic world afterwards. The combination disease and famine/war following and during could have seen 90% world population reduction. Maybe that's an overly bleak possibility but 700 million people would still be quite a lot and more than when the 19th century began and people could survive, mostly, on local production without all mod cons, many of which would stop working.

I was in Beijing aka Peking Xmas 2003 and sars was the problem. Fortunately, it was not humanized and did not amount to anything. This time I was in Vietnam and Singapore at the beginning of Feb when the first Singapore case popped up 300 metres from me. I promise I was not delivering these viruses on behalf of the CIA.

It's going to have to be everyone back to work at Easter because the economic cost is too vast and the death rate too low to stop the world, and fail to stop the virus anyway as it will not be eliminated everywhere and will sneak here and there for another year or two until it fizzles out due to mask wearing and precautions people now know to take. Such as not sharing yum char, buffets, and other contaminating mechanisms such as packed buses, trains, and airliners without high quality breathing protection, mosh pits and whatnot.

AIDS soon fizzled out when people understood mechanisms of transmission and stopped doing that. Initially authorities lie or are just plain stupid, such as in 1986 they were warning men that they could catch HIV from women but of course they can't very well. They didn't want to be plain and warn that it was primarily a male to partner phenomenon with extra vectors such as shared needles, blood transfusion and other body fluids into the blood stream of others. Now we hardly hear about AIDS. Even in Africa it's not such a calamitous catastrophe as it was when something like 20% of Africans were infected [not Moslems who are brutally strict in sexual behaviour]. A doctor friend from South Africa told me that genital lesions in Africans were common so there was a bonus mechanism of infection. And monogamy wasn't a big deal.

We should look on WuFlu as a little training course for the main event, which might be averted if the main source which is the "wet markets" of barbarity in China and south Asia are shut down and animal farming is improved. Hens and pigs act as good breeding grounds too. Huge culls have been necessary to stop disease.

Mqurice



To: carranza2 who wrote (155520)3/30/2020 8:07:13 AM
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Even if it were an attack conducted by a little Dutch girl...

Mens rea... apparently one of the sports in the military olympics that China won?

We know what the dynamic of the spread in Wuhan was... and what the response to it was.

All they had to do to stop it spreading... to prevent the "attack" from succeeding... was to not screw it up... not lie about it... and not do what they did... which was to lie about it, and cover it up, and enable it in spreading more in result of those, and many other bad choices.

A deliberate rather than accidental origin... doesn't lessen the impact in result of the failure in responsibility ?

It doesn't make them appear any more competent... only less competent... if the origin of the virus was an attack ? All that the propaganda seems it does, to me, from a Chinese perspective... is add to the importance of the obvious problems that have been made apparent in the failure to contain it ? It only makes it more important to put more competent people in charge... if the ones you have aren't capable of managing this problem ? Not only did they fail egregiously in containing the virus when it was easily containable... they failed in very basic tasks in national defense ?

Who invited the little Dutch girl to come to China ? And how will fostering xenophobia as policy help China ?

Just imagine what would happen if they were attacked by TWO Americans ?

Of course, its laughable... leaving it a puzzle why they think it contains advantages for them.

What we see is exactly why no rational actor would ever conduct an "attack" that way... first because you could never expect or count on the opponents rank incompetence enabling it... and second, because if it did work there'd be no way to stop it from doing to you what it did to them....

If there was going to be an attack conducted... you wouldn't rationally choose to use a thing like this virus... that can't be controlled ?

It's also proving, in spreading as it has... why biological warfare generally is a truly stupid idea...

Why China thinks its a good idea... to advance the message at home that the entire power of the state can be overwhelmed... by one little Dutch girl ? I'm not sure they've thought this through very well... but that also a measure of desperation ?

They wanted to distract from their responsibility for the accidental lab release... as the quarantines are being lifted ? And that seems its working ? The problem boils down to : Be careful what you ask for, because you might get it.

The conspiracy theory that does make sense... given the facts in the functions the virus does have... that at least has the dots connect rationally... is the one about the globalists thinking there are too many people on the planet... so that "sustainability" requires a massive culling... the modern "environmental eugenicists" not being much different than those of the prior century, who didn't see a need to have a positive reason to justify their efforts ?

If that were the origin... that would mean the virus was an attack, not just on China, but on everyone on the planet... That it targets old people as selectively as it does is only another item consistent with their agenda... And, a third... stories saying that the virus appears it also attacks testicles in disproportion... so it may have an ulterior motive in altering global population over time... if those stories prove true.

And, of course, the globalists hate Trump... so they might also do desperate things only to prevent his being re-elected ?

Do I believe Bill Gates did it ?

Well, I don't have to argue much... that Gate's view is not meaningfully different than those of aristocratic classes in the past... who assume rights of ownership in asserting power over others... but it doesn't really simplify anything much... as it does no better at reducing the same set of problems... that its success would require counting on officials failing in simple tasks ?

Or. maybe betting on governments failing to contain it... wouldn't be that bad a bet ?