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To: Steve Morytko who wrote (2530)	1/27/1998 9:02:00 AM
From: flickerful	Respond to of 9236

Steve M, i agree completely, (see my less eloquent reply to mason yesterday). randy

To: Steve Morytko who wrote (2530)	1/27/1998 9:57:00 AM
From: SteveG	Respond to of 9236

<..Surely you're not suggesting that no one will deploy the technology before the standard is set..> Trials? Perhaps. Committed deployments? I would be surprised. <..a simple software change to update any deployed equipment. I suspect the same is true for other players...> If a DSP is used, it may be possible, but I wouldn't presume this. <..Do you have the URL explaining their stance?..> It was in the article: ========== ".....By Christmas is more enthusiasmthan reality," said Ken Krechmer, a member of the ITU committee that will handle a splitterless DSL standard.... ..."Everybody is most concerned about the RBOCs. The RBOCs screwed up real bad with respect to ISDN. The consortium is saying, 'Can we show the RBOCs a strong enough unified front so they don't screw it up again this time?" Krechmer said. He noted that as with DSL, RBOCs strongly supported standards for ISDN, but then dragged their feet when it came to deploying ISDN services. [And ADSL is expected to be significantly MORE of a challenge to get working than ISDN] At least one RBOC said its philosophy for DSL will be the same as with ISDN. "We'll let the market demand drive the deployment of broadband services in general. That was behind our approach to ISDN." said a spokesman for SBC Communications, Inc..........." ================ <.. It won't be the RBOCs responsibility to screw it up (as they did with ISDN) this time. If they don't get it right the CLEC will take the business...> Not at all likely until the very murky Telecom Act unbundling/rebundling issues are resolved. <..This is the baby (Bells) crying - and possibly an eager reporter trying to stand out on the negative side of the story...> A CLEC will face at LEAST the same hurdles (MORE because they have to deal with the ILEC rebundling issues and unresolved tariffs). Tim Greene is Editor of Network World. <..30+ hours?? So just order a second line and say "no inductance coils please"...> Too bad it's not that easy. <..Worst case add $100 installation fee...> If a single truck roll to add a splitter to the NID is $400 (established industry figure) a 2 day, 30+ manhour job (including digging) would be much more than that. <..The RBOCs have been upgrading CO's and trunks for years knowing the plant isn't where it should be. I'd venture a guess that if your modem connects at 14.4 or better you don't have any inductance coils on your line...> Analog modems work within the 4Khz voice band. Load coils were installed to filter out the frequencies above 4Khz that could subharmonic interfere with voice. DSL LIVES above 4Khz. Therefore, load coils (30-40% of lines) = no DSL. <..If you had inductance problems they probably already "sold" you a modern second line by not fixing your first one (which was fixed during the 2nd line installation)...> Not unless they laid new copper from your house to the CO, as well as likely needing to add a DLC somewhere between. Don't think happens too often <g>. <..I'm riding out the noise...> Rate adaptively? <..Get your cash ready...> Check! (sold second half of trading position yesterday) Steve