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To: THE ANT who wrote (157037)	4/24/2020 7:39:00 PM
From: sense	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217796

only a few people are awake and they live in a state of constant total amazement. A great quote. I'll confess to frequently living in a state of amazement... but have learned from my own experience, also, that "constant" requires some qualification. I think it is true that even those people who are least asleep, those who work the hardest at deliberately sustaining a child like curiosity about the world... are also living most of their lives "going through the motions"... You don't and can't constantly think about everything. Most of what you do is learned behavior... in which you rely on what you've learned to short circuit thinking... So, even thinking people simplify life by not thinking most of the time. That's a part of the cliche in which you see super bright people struggle with tying their shoes, that sort of thing... too much thinking and not enough practice... makes people who aren't able to survive without others charity... Often you think about that in terms of the crazy scientist type... but, the starving artist might be the same ? Creativity... or even only thinking while observing... and seeing the world differently in some way... still requires work in translating any new understanding in a way others might understand and appreciate ? It's the flip side of the other discussion going on here at the same time... in which the element of practice is a necessary complement to thinking, learning and understanding... to make it possible to develop a superior ability to perform better than others, in some task... You don't get to be the best... only by thinking about being the best... but by doing successfully whatever it is that is your focus in thinking.... and doing it intently enough that you learn to do it without thinking... There may be thinking a plenty involved in deciding what it is you should practice at... but, the issue of practice is... to create that short circuit that connects and reduces the physical performance in a task to rote behavior... Balance seems the point ?

To: THE ANT who wrote (157037)	4/25/2020 3:55:40 PM
From: Joseph Silent	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 217796

His father is right. Someone I learned a lot from said "he who knows does not know; he who does not know, knows". The typical mind goes into a tizzy over this. My habit has always been to simply register things I do not understand and wait. Then one day I suddenly understood out of the blue. The waiting and watching is key. It has everything to do with thinking or, more specifically, not thinking. My favourite poet sums it up better than I can. There is always a poet who points the right way if you look. By William Wordsworth The world is too much with us; late and soon, Getting and spending, we lay waste our powers;— Little we see in Nature that is ours; .............. poetryfoundation.org So when one talks about being "awake" you'll naturally see logical linkages to what people associate with "great" thinking --- creativity, logic, superiority at something ... etc. A big mistake.actually I'll be brutal and short. It has nothing to do with thinking or the products of thinking. It has to do with not thinking, so your mind can rest and make space for you to actually see without the benefit of who-you-think-you-are doing the seeing. That is being awake. If everybody is asleep you can readily conclude it's not easy because everybody wants to be a somebody.

To: THE ANT who wrote (157037)	4/25/2020 11:46:22 PM
From: Pogeu Mahone	Respond to of 217796

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