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To: bentway who wrote (1227057)5/5/2020 3:29:18 PM
From: RetiredNow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573026
 
The problem with graphs like that is that they are not real science. If you had shown me the R-squared behind each of those assertions and the R-Squareds were very high, then I might believe you had found some root causes. But when someone says the lock down made the difference, I hear opinion, not science. There are so many variables not being analyzed. For example, you know why the US is so bad? Well, if you do the Pareto analysis of deaths, it's all about New York. So take away New York and the rest of the country doesn't look so bad. New Jersey is next on the list, but New York is the big loser. So what's wrong with New York? Well, as a percentage of their population, they have a lot more of the following people proportionally:
* Old people
* Obese people
* People with cardio issues...heart disease
* People with pulmonary issues...lung disease
* Oh and btw, the virus is not racists. Black and hispanic people tend to have far more of the obesity, cardio and pulmonary issues than white people. So no, our health care system is not racist. It's that blacks and hispanics (these are my people remember) are just unhealthy in comparison to whites. That changes if you go south or go to the opioid havens where the white people are exceedingly unhealthy as well. But no one wants to admit that pre-existing conditions is the real cause of the death rates.

In addition, New York health care workers have long complained about the underinvestment in hospitals and healthcare resources. One doctor described NY hospitals as having been 1 crisis way from catastrophe for many years. COVID was just the straw that broke the camel's back for them.

So there are many variables that decide whether a country has a bad experience or a benign one. But the current overwhelming narrative is that ending civil liberties and instituting draconian measures that put 30-50 million people in the US out of work is the right path. This is a fear based response, not rooted in any real science. Even the "scientific" models were woefully inaccurate and the actual numbers are proving to be far less dire than originally projected. And those forecasts included the "lockdown scenario", which also proved to be ridiculously inflated. So the baseline assumptions were wrong and were not corrected for actual data as they came in. So everyone overreacted. Now, we face the consequences of that overreaction. More jobs wiped out in the last few weeks than were created since the Great Recession. Now, that's the real tragedy.

If you are under 65, healthy, and have no immune-deficiencies, heart or lung disease, then you will be just fine. We should have never been locked down. The nuanced and correct response would have been to protect the old and at-risk portions of the population, while letting the vast majority of the population continue life with small adjustments like masks and social distancing, but no lockdown.

At the end of the day, there is only one way out of this, and that is herd immunity, either through exposure to the virus naturally or through vaccines. There's no avoiding that singular fact.