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To: Brumar89 who wrote (1240205)6/16/2020 1:40:37 PM
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Mick Mørmøny

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Fort Sumter
(Confederate Military History, Volume 5, Chapter I)


The secession of South Carolina having dissolved her connection with the government of the United States, the question of the possession of the forts in the harbor and of the military post at the arsenal became at once a question of vital interest to the State. Able commissioners, Robert W. Barnwell, James H. Adams and James L. Orr, were elected and sent by the convention of the State to treat with the government at Washington for an amicable settlement of this important question, and other questions growing out of the new relation which South Carolina bore to the Union. Pending the action of the commissioners in Washington, an unfortunate move was made by Maj. Robert Anderson, of the United States army, who commanded the only body of troops stationed in the harbor, which ultimately compelled the return of the commissioners and led to the most serious complications. An understanding had been established between the authorities in Washington and the members of Congress from South Carolina, that the forts would not be attacked, or seized as an act of war, until proper negotiations for their cession to the State had been made and had failed; provided that they were not reinforced, and their military status should remain as it was at the time of this understanding, viz., on December 9, 1860.
Fort Sumter, in the very mouth of the harbor, was in an unfinished state and without a garrison. On the night of the 26th of December, 1860, Maj. Robert Anderson dismantled Fort Moultrie and removed his command by boats over to Fort Sumter. The following account of the effect of this removal of Major Anderson upon the people, and the action of the government, is taken from Brevet Major-General Crawford's "Genesis of the Civil War." General Crawford was at the time on the medical staff and one of Anderson's officers. His book is a clear and admirable narrative of the events of those most eventful days, and is written in the spirit of the utmost candor and fairness. In the conclusion of the chapter describing the removal, he says:
The fact of the evacuation of Fort Moultrie by Major Anderson was soon communicated to the authorities and people of Charleston, creating intense excitement. Crowds collected in streets and open places of the city, and loud and violent were the expressions of feeling against Major Anderson and his action ... [The governor of the State was ready to act in accordance with the feeling displayed.] On the morning of the 27th, he dispatched his aide-de-camp, Col. Johnston Pettigrew, of the First South Carolina Rifles, to Major Anderson. He was accompanied by Maj. Ellison Capers, of his regiment. Arriving at Fort Sumter, Colonel Pettigrew sent a card inscribed, "Colonel Pettigrew, First Regiment Rifles, S.C. M., Aide-de-Camp to the Governor, Commissioner to Major Anderson. Ellison Capers, Major First Regiment Rifles, S.C. M." . . . Colonel Pettigrew and his companion were ushered into the room. The feeling was reserved and formal, when, after declining seats, Colonel Pettigrew immediately opened his mission: "Major Anderson," said he, "can I communicate with you now, sir, before these officers, on the subject for which I am here?" "Certainly, sir," replied Major Anderson, "these are all my officers; I have no secrets from them, sir." The commissioner then informed Major Anderson that he was directed to say to him that the governor was much surprised that he had reinforced "this work." Major Anderson promptly responded that there had been no reinforcement of the work; that he had removed his command from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter, as he had a right to do, being in command of all the forts in the harbor. To this Colonel Pettigrew replied that when the present governor (Pickens) came into office, he found an understanding existing between the previous governor (Gist) and the President of the United States, by which all property Within the limits of the State was to remain as it was; that no reinforcements were to be sent here, particularly to this post; that there was to be no attempt made against the public property by the State, and that the status in the harbor should remain unchanged. He was directed also to say to Major Anderson that it had been hoped by the governor that a peaceful solution of the difficulties could. have been reached, and a resort to arms and bloodshed might have been avoided; but that the governor thought the action of Major Anderson had greatly complicated matters, and that he did not now see how bloodshed could be avoided; that he had desired and intended that the whole matter might be fought out politically and without the arbitration of the sword, but that now it was uncertain, if not impossible.




To: Brumar89 who wrote (1240205)6/17/2020 9:41:07 AM
From: RetiredNow1 Recommendation

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Taro

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The Culture War has already been lost, but it's not Trump versus everyone else, but rather, it is old guard Americans like myself and others, against the Cultural Marxism that is taking over this country. The old guard believes in freedom of speech, law and order, Capitalism, Democracy, and that this is a fundamentally good country with good people that are constantly trying to improve conditions for the folks who live here. The new guard, which includes Communists and the BLM movement believe in Marxism, censorship of speech unless it conforms to the left's ideas, mob rule, that their is systemic racism in this country and that this country needs to be torn down and rebuilt, as well as that Communism is superior to Capitalism.

So yes, we've lost the Culture War. In China, when they had their Cultural Revolution, the Communists won and they then put their boot on everyone's neck. Here in the US, Chauvin, the murderer and a-hole who killed George Floyd, put his knee on the the neck of George, and became the catalyst for a Communist takeover of the US, which means we will all soon have a knee on our own necks both literally and figuratively.

Meanwhile, you claim to be conservative, but you support the Communists. You are making the biggest mistake of your life. I will openly say that Trump is a deeply flawed man with a mouth that constantly gets him into trouble, but no one in their right mind would vote for Communism just because they don't like Trump. That is literally a vote to destroy the country, just because of your personal animus towards one individual. This is stupid in the extreme. Trump won't be here forever, but once Communism takes over, it will take a century to uproot it and it will take a violent revolution to get rid of it. Cuba has been Communist since 1958 and they still haven't been able to get rid of it, despite most Cubans wanting freedom from political and economic repression that always comes from Communism. Venezuela has turned into a shithole and they still can't get rid of their Socialist Dictator, after having voted for Democratic Socialism, not realizing that voting for Socialism and Communism always leads to Dictatorship.

In this country, the Communists have already achieved the beginning stages of Dictatorship in that freedom of speech has been destroyed. I TOLD you that this would happen when I saw the signs of social media censorship. Now that destruction of freedom of speech has metastasized and corporations and universities are firing people who are critical of the BLM movement or of the liberal left orthodoxy. Every Cuban and Venezuelan knows that these are RED ALERT signs of a Communist takeover. Americans have no idea how close to the red line this country is. And yet, you continue to support the left. It's mind boggling how naive Americans can be. It can't happen here? Poppycock. It is already happening here. You just can't see it, because you have no experience with it.