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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (179204)	8/29/2020 4:25:17 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 357601

> Trump said that "were very fine people, on both sides." Parsed, that means that he was asserting that there were at least two fine people on each side. Yes, that is correct. >> That statement excludes neo-Nazis from the "fine people" categorization, as I parse it. It seems reasonable that there could very well have been at two innocent protesters who happened to be in the protester group amongst all those "bad people." It isn't really as questionable as you're making it. In fact, the Roanoke Times admits there were many other groups. They just try to find a way to turn it on Trump with some kind of "guilty 'til proved innocent" theory: Trump: “Those people — all of those people — excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee.” While I don't agree with it, I can accept that Robt E. Lee's historical position in America has absolutely changed out of the blue, decades after his death, with no new information. Bizarre, but okay, I'll go with that. But Roanoke Times seems to have begun rewriting history before it was made: The key line in what Trump said is “those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee” — as if that excused them. It’s true that Charlottesville became a magnet for all these white supremacists because the city wanted to take down its statue of Lee. So, one day, we woke up, and anyone who sees Lee as an important historical figure worthy of remembrance with a statute, is a "white supremacist", i.e., a racist. There are a lot of us -- not only southerners, but people all over the place -- who believe Lee was an honorable man who committed himself to the call for his help. You may recall that Lee was called upon by BOTH sides, as the North wanted him, too. And my limited recall of Civil War history is that Lee had to decide whether to go North or South, and the South was out of extreme loyalty to his homeland. It is important to remember that the USA was not as well-fixed as it was before the division we have going on now (which, IMO, is looking likely to be the beginning of the end of the Union). So, we have moved from Lee having been an extremely loyal individual to his having been a white supremacist in the scope of days, weeks, and maybe finding its roots in the Obama administration. I bring this up because after all it IS the point; Trump was correct, 100%, without any doubt. But it really isn't the primary point here. Yes, the media should stop lying about Trump's words, but they really ought to stop lying about Lee's role and those of others. Lee did not have a white supremacist bone in his body, and while I'm not that knowledgeable of the Civil War, if there is evidence of the contrary I encourage you to bring it forward.

To: Lane3 who wrote (179204)	8/29/2020 6:41:28 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 357601

If you look only at the letter of what he said, independent of all else, Trump has plausible deniability. True. However, when viewed in context... Which is the problem. His supporters want to claim that the context doesn't matter. That all the tweets with white supremacist content and neoNazi shout outs didn't matter and considering them is for some reason illegitimate. Just those words in that one speech. Which is a conveniently self-serving way to frame it.