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To: Bill who wrote (1283572)12/15/2020 11:56:02 PM
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No one has lost quite like Donald Trump in nearly 150 years
He's pushing his doomed election fight further than any defeated candidate since 1876
Donald Trump is now a history-making loser.

His doomed crusade to overturn the U.S. election result crossed a milestone following electoral college meetings Monday that formally selected Joe Biden as the next president.

Not in a century and a half, since the post-Civil War era, has a defeated presidential candidate continued to challenge the results past those electoral college meetings.

That's where Trump now finds himself. He has persisted in peddling the idea he can still win even after losing Monday in the formal electoral votes.

He not only denied the electoral college reality in a flurry of defiant tweets. Trump's campaign also convinced groups of Republicans to organize their own parallel meetings in various swing states and declare him the winner.Trump expected to continue fight into January Keyssar said there have often been arguments about elections, and recounts, and even court fights like the one in 2000 between George W. Bush and Al Gore.The congressional numbers simply aren't there for him. For Trump to get the required simple majority in both houses of Congress to nullify certain states' votes, he would need a string of unprecedented and, frankly, unfathomable developments.

For starters, the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives would have to agree to it. It's highly unlikely he would even get the tiny Republican Senate majority to go along, given that several Senate Republicans, including Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, have already recognized or even congratulated Biden on his win.

Both chambers would need to nullify the results in at least three states, strip Biden of at least 37 electoral votes to keep him under the 270 majority, and then to force what's called a contingent election in which each state delegation in Congress gets a vote.

"Not gonna happen. It's just not gonna happen," Keyssar said.

There was also a protest from a few Democrats who delayed, by a couple of hours, congressional certification of Bush's win in Ohio in 2004.

But what's novel, he said, is the losing candidate insisting on fighting after 538 voters of the electoral college formalize the results across the country.

That threshold was breached Monday.

Trump allies suggested they intended to keep the struggle going until a final showdown: when members of Congress meet on Jan. 6 at 1 p.m.ET to complete the final step in the selection of the president.

Several election experts dismissed Trump's alternate slate gambit as futile.

Republicans in several states acknowledged Biden as winner There's no sign Trump has the required support even within his own party — as a growing number of Republican lawmakers declared Monday, either bluntly or tentatively, that it's over and Biden has won.In state capitals, a number of top state-level Republicans have also made clear they won't help Trump fight the result through their own legislatures.

Republican leaders in Michigan issued statements calling Biden the election winner Monday — it drew a torrent of angry comments online from Republican voters.

The author of a two-year old paper that previewed how mail-in ballots could prompt legal feuds and chaos said this is it for Trump.

Edward Foley said that after dozens of court losses, and after Monday's 306-232 loss in the electoral college, Trump can try whatever he wants with Congress.

"It's still not going to affect the result," said Foley, director of Ohio State University's election-law program and author of different books on the electoral college and disputed elections.

But he said the prolonged feud can still damage the country.



To: Bill who wrote (1283572)12/15/2020 11:58:38 PM
From: pocotrader  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1578177
 
there is no trump vaccine, I'll take whatever vaccine is offered to me