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To: Justin Banks who wrote (16925)2/1/1998 11:14:00 AM
From: Bill Jackson  Respond to of 24154
 
Justin;

Do you have any facts to back this up, or is it just a gut feeling? NT scaleability (SMP, not clustering), is quite limited, at least partially due to it's close similarity to Mach.

I think that MSFT has identified this as a problem and their base NT will be the broad appeal item for smaller groups, where you buy 5-100 licences.
Once you start to get up there they will need an enhancement module that will add these things for more $$. Is this not the way you progress with Unix??

I believe that NT's success is at least partially due to the hoodwinking of MIS managers, ala MSFT's 'scaleability day' last year. If you tell them that NT can save them $x/year TCO, they're going to believe it. What they don't realize until later is NT's 'cost creep'. Sure, it's a cheap system, but to approach the same level of utility that you get with your typical Unix system you've got to spend a couple of thousand on third party stuff and other add-ons. While this is likely to get better with NT5 (if/when it ships), it still won't approach the usability, maintainability, and scaleability of Unix. Administrating an NT system is a nightmare, and consumes much more resources than Unix.

From what I see NT people are not as knowledgeable as Unix people, and so they repeat small fixes again and again as people screw the NT up. The unix is more robust and harder to play with by the dumb user and so they fixer needs to be smarter and he also needs fewer fixes.
MSFT has automated NT and if and when they get it right and fully debugged it will be quite capable. For some reason Unix has languished(I suspect the many flavors and the fact that MSFT has thrown big money at NT, money from their $$ press called Win3.X/95, money that others do not have because it is scattered among many.

You get back to me when NT gets TPC numbers in the 40k to 50k range, with a single system image (no clusters, they're a nightmare), and we'll talk. Sure, it will happen, but when, and how much more will Unix systems improve by then?

I have no idea when that will be?

What I hear you saying is that NT is soon to be a 'one size fits all' solution. This is madness, and will only serve to further impede the progress of technical computing.

I think that NT/Win9x will evolve to be a continuum of products, all called NT/win2000/?? that will sel in all markets from single isolated user to large enterprise, and be visually similar. Of course the single and middle and monster will vary in their code, scalability etc, all for a fee. Once made and perfected it will become the ultimate cash cat and her many kittens.

Bill