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Strategies & Market Trends : 2026 TeoTwawKi ... 2032 Darkest Interregnum -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Julius Wong who wrote (168198)2/6/2021 9:32:21 PM
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Re <<Year 2021: Cancel student loan debt


Year 2032: Cancel national debt ???>>

... would certainly fit the thread mapping road markers, that be "2026 TeoTwawKi ... 2032 Darkest Interregnum"

(1) Folks might misunderstand the passing of road markers and the progression of the journey on the road so marked, that at the sorry destination, all debts are cancelled, and so cancelling of debts are not good signs, and certainly are not solutions, whereas the ability to issue additional debts are better signs, those which indicate the machinery is still working, sustainably or otherwise

(2) I have and there are in antique shop quite a few China national debt certificates still for sale at rather exorbitant but collectors pricing, even as they no longer payout for coupon clippers.

I do not collect those and have none to show, but can point to where they might be obtained. The government of which Eugene Chen was a member issued below bond, circa 1913, and

Team Eugene booted out the British from Hankow (Wuhan) in 1927 when he did such, and ended British administration of China tariff collection per down w/ imperialism and end with imperial lap-dog-ism just so ...



Even in those days there were fake news, and this below take was wrong to very wrong, at the time, because the Chen-O'Malley Treaty was signed after Eugene was satisfied that the British and USA intervention marine force was dispersed to the four winds from staging area in Shanghai , and Eugene certainly took no orders from his friend Borodin books.google.com.hk



en.wikipedia.org

Chen's diplomacy led one historian to call him "arguably China's most important diplomat of the 1920s and instrumental in the rights recovery movement." [9] Chen welcomed Sun's alliance with the Soviet Union, and worked harmoniously with Michael Borodin, the chief Soviet and foreign policy adviser to Sun Yat-Sen on the reorganization of the Nationalist Party at Canton in 1923. After Sun's death, Chen was elected to the Central Executive Committee of Kuomintang, Nationalist Minister for Foreign affairs at Canton, and Ruler of Hankow, all being achieved in 1926 he was forced to resign in April 1927. Over the next two years, Chen lodged vigorous and articulate protests over continued imperialist policies with the American and British governments, as well as negotiating with the British authorities over the massive labor strikes in Hong Kong. When Chiang Kai-shek's Northern Expedition appeared on the verge of unifying the country, Chen joined the rival Nationalist government at Wuhan. In January 1927, the Nationalists forcibly took control over the British Concession in Wuhan, and when violent crowds also took the foreign concession at Kiukiang, foreign warships gathered at Shanghai. Chen's negotiations with the British led in February 1927 to the Chen-O'Malley Agreement which provided for a combined British-Chinese administration of the concession. In 1929 the British Concession formally came to an end. From then on it was administered by the Chinese authorities as the Third Special Area. While the event as such was comparatively minor, as was the territory involved, this nevertheless constituted both a humiliation and an ominous precedent for the British Empire. In March 1927, with the rapidly approaching National Revolutionary Army (NRA) about to reach Nanjing there was an outbreak of violence against foreigners, now known as the Nanjing Incident, and Chiang Kai-shek launched White Terror attacks on Communists in Shanghai. [10] Chen sent Borodin, his sons Percy Chen and Jack Chen, and the American leftist journalist Anna Louise Strong in an automotive convoy across Central Asia to Moscow. He, his daughters Si-lan and Yolanda, Mme. Sun Yat-sen, and the American journalist Rayna Prohme traveled from Shanghai to Vladivostok, and once again by Trans-Siberian Railway to Moscow. [11]

Re the debt cancellation ...
The loan has been in default since 1939. As an interesting footnote to this loan, Mr. M.E. Weatherall, who was a senior official of the Chinese Maritime customs Service in 1921 was quoted in the publication "Wayfoong" as making the following observation; "I believe that I am correct in saying that the greater part, if not all, of the reorganisation loan of 1913 was accounted for by statements and vouchers, but that in actual fact very little of it was ever applied to the purposes for which it was lent. It disappeared mysteriously and nobody knows where it has gone."


glabarre.com



glabarre.com

Chinese £100 Reorganization Gold Loan Blue Bond of 1913 with PASS-CO authenticationChina, 1913, Blue-Red. £100 5% Reorganization Gold Loan Bond, German Bank Issued. Uncancelled. 42-43 Coupons. Many coupons.

New article relating to this Chinese item: bloomberg.com

1913 - 5% Reorganisation Gold Loan The Reorganisation Gold Loan of 1913 was for the capital sum of £25,000,000. The Loan was, "...authorized by Presidential Order of 22nd April 1913 officially communicated by the Wai Chiao Pu to the Ministers in Peking of Great Britain, Germany, France, Russia and Japan." The newly appointed President of the Republic of China, Yuan Shih Kai, initially approached Britain, France, Germany and United States of America seeking a substantial loan to assist the fledgling government of the Republic of China. Later this group was expanded to include Japan and Russia, but eventually the United States of America withdrew from participation, leaving five countries which agreed to assist the Chinese Government with financial aid. The principal financial institutions which participated in the loan arrangements were the Hongkong & Shanghai Banking Corporation, Deutsch-Asiatiche Bank, Banque de I'Indo-Chine and Russian Asiatic Bank. The Yokohama Specie Bank participated on behalf of Japan, but did not issue separate bonds, countersigned by the bank. Arrangements were made as to convertibility into Japanese Yen of the bearer bonds issued by the other four issuing banks. The banks all received 6% commission allocated to each bank together with bonds issued are detailed in the data tables below: Hongkong & Shanghai Banking Corporation £7,416,680 Deutsch-Asiatiche Bank £6,000,000 Banque de I'Indo-Chine £7,416,660 Russian Asiatic Bank £2,777,780 Russian Asiatic Bank (Belgium) £1,388,880.

The purpose of the loan was to enable the new government of the Republic of China to meet financial liabilities inherited from the previous organization of government institutions and to meet the administrative costs. The loan was secured upon the entire revenues of the Salt Administration of China. In some ways this was a rather dubious security for such a large-scale loan as the entire Salt Gabelle (Salt Tax) had already been committed for other purposes with any surplus being pledged as a security against the Crisp Loan of 1912. However there was a further provision that foreigners would assist in the reorganisation of the collection of Salt Tax revenues and if the loan was at any time in default, the Salt Tax revenues were to be administered by the Maritime Customs Administration which was primarily under the control of foreigners. Coupons were payable on 1st January and 1st July each year. The loan has been in default since 1939. As an interesting footnote to this loan, Mr. M.E. Weatherall, who was a senior official of the Chinese Maritime customs Service in 1921 was quoted in the publication "Wayfoong" as making the following observation; "I believe that I am correct in saying that the greater part, if not all, of the reorganisation loan of 1913 was accounted for by statements and vouchers, but that in actual fact very little of it was ever applied to the purposes for which it was lent. It disappeared mysteriously and nobody knows where it has gone."











To: Julius Wong who wrote (168198)2/6/2021 9:43:23 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 219450
 
some examples of cancelled national obligations

of empires and kingdoms long gone, and of states still around

but some obligations still good, and others collectors curiosities

common denominators easy to spot by ocular inspection :0)

so, no, let cancellations is not a good sign, even as it be the correct decision at whichever juncture

a reason the aftermath of the Napoleonic wars was less horrific than the German outcome post WW1 was the hard currency stance of Napoleon, that he would never ever print paper money, and entirely spend what he has of rooster coins, such that whilst France was defeated on the battle field, was still okay in the monetary universe

the last pic, the national obligation of Carthage issued immediately before its sacking, is still money-good this day.