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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: i-node who wrote (193230)	2/6/2021 2:27:45 PM
From: Lane3	4 Recommendations Recommended By bentway Mannie Sam Terry Maloney Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 362805

stolen by other means such as false statements If that were the case, then D's would consider all elections stolen by R's where there was gerrymandering, insufficient polling places in certain neighborhoods, criteria for voting beyond citizenship, age, and address, limited voting times, false statements, etc., etc. Voter suppression is endemic in the GOP. That may be manipulation but it's not theft. The so called Trump lies were never lies. I no longer consider you a rational actor. I don't have the time or energy to respond to your myriad figments. But I was asking about the media and your answer was just like those: The end justified the means. That was not my answer. My answer was mostly that it was just an updated version of standard practice. If you can show how this is conceptually different from how we've always done things, please do so. I offered an analytical response not a rationalization. There was nothing to justify. Yet, you don’t see it as a problem? The problem I see is that you are wrong on too many facts to be able to ground your responses realistically. If you start off in the wrong direction, you will never end up in the right place.

To: i-node who wrote (193230)	2/6/2021 2:51:22 PM
From: bentway	1 Recommendation Recommended By rdkflorida2 Respond to of 362805

>>Like those who claimed he suggested injecting bleach.<< Trump suggested injecting disinfectant. Of which, bleach is one. None of which should EVER be injected. We ALL saw it.

To: i-node who wrote (193230)	2/6/2021 4:05:12 PM
From: Brumar89	2 Recommendations Recommended By bentway CentralParkRanger Respond to of 362805

You're acknowledging that Trump lost the election in that he got fewer votes but iyo the election was still "stolen" because people were persuaded to vote against your candidate. They believed other people's lies instead of Trump's lies. OR which is stolen by other means such as false statements that convince the public to vote another way. The problem is that you're speaking from the standpoint of a cultist ... whatever your cult leader says is "true" and everything else is a "lie". Why should anyone not in your cult accept this? We have a First Amendment that gives the Fourth Estate special privilege in exchange for providing honest, fair and essential news coverage ... The First Amendment isn't dependent on anyone's meeting your twisted opinions on honesty or fairness. If you had a more objective mind you'd appreciate the First Amendment because you idolize a man who is the biggest liar in American history. He almost never spoke without lying.