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To: koan who wrote (467368)	2/8/2021 9:46:53 PM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540794

I disagree. Manchin is the current Democrat in a R state. Back then there were three or four of them. Blanche Lincoln of Kansas and Ben Nelson of Nebraska were the most endangered. Then there was Lieberman who couldn't be counted on and Arlen Specter who zigzagged. Kennedy and Byrd were on their last legs and could die at any moment. And did so. And Jon Tester of Montana, who was certainly popular in MT but he can only go so far with his constituents. And he knows their limits, which is why he maintains his popularity. Looking only at the raw numbers doesn't tell the whole story.

To: koan who wrote (467368)	2/9/2021 3:36:21 PM
From: Jamie153	1 Recommendation Recommended By bentway Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540794

I strongly disagree. Obama's legacy will be the ACA. Look at the numbers below. Not only did he fix a horribly broken economy but he created a legacy that will last for generations. Did he spend time getting republican support or did he do it on his own? He and Dems did it on their own. Look at the Independent numbers below. We need them to win. So do they. The economy was everything according to the polls but he did the ACA also. Since he did the ACA without any republican votes it's safe to say he didn't think much of them until he had to and that was when they got power. Obama thought he'd have a second chance at getting more stimulus passed but that never happened. Note how different things are now....numerous stimulus packages costing trillions upon trillions and not one word on the deficits they're creating. Considering a president only has one year to do something before the mid-terms he did more than most. However, I agree with you in that Biden is going big, bigger than Obama could have dreamed of but that's the nature of politics. Dems get blamed for deficits. Republicans don't. Republicans don't get blamed for the economy after they crash it and Dems don't get the credit after we fix it. Doing the ACA cost us control of Congress but it was a beginning that needed to be done. From Pew.