Hi Lisa; Thanks for pointing me at that news, I can agree with most of it..<G> But investors being worried is "good" "the market climbs a wall of worry." That saying has been around a long time, because it's true. AS for the options getting "striped" I know what you mean, I've traded them till I was blue in the face. And I call it the " hidden spread"... If a person has time and makes a "plan" options can be OK, I never short an individual stock "naked"..I know from looking at Brokerage house records the foolishness of that. A person with time and a plan, can do OK if one finds the right situation , buy the call, sell the put, and short the stock..the call covers your up side risk, the sold put gets you bought in at a set price, You make both the drop on the stock, and the premium..but lose some of the call value, ( buy calls futher out than you sell the puts, as you may can re-use them, time prem gets cheaper when you buy more of it) you make more selling the short puts month to month, it's one way to stay short the stock, but here you have a target with your short, ( not just the I wonder how much more she will fall, I hope crappy ) you make enough to roll your calls down if you want to short her again, or you could take what value is left in the calls and go hunting again. So what if the stock goes to heaven ? Well you can call it at any time at the strike price, and if your call prem was less than you collected on puts you wrote you may still be ahead, expence has to be measured as well. It takes time and planing..and digging but it can be done. Raw put buyers mostly don't know the game. For shorting , buy the call, sell the put, short the stock. ( more money in selling puts than often meets the eye ) At any rate the put pays for your short risk cover with a call, if she goes above you call strike so what..just buy back the cheaper puts and sell more expensive ones. Sell puts every month roll them forward whenever the premiums say you can make money doing it, untill you use up the time on the call then arb out. So she goes up you write more puts she gets put to you above the original short price ?<G> but that's why you had calls to start with, you can dump her, call her, and dump her again if you want, as by now your calls are well in the money, you can then buy higher calls and sell puts and short the sucker again. Just look at AOL. It's the naked shorts, and dumb put buyers that has drove her up. About 10% of the shorts playing her know how to play, the other 90% have lost their rollex, their car, their shrits, and even their underware. The guy writing the puts has made money month after month, and is still short the stock. If your going to go short; go in a way you can't be squezzed, ( stop losses are for suckers ) brokers pick them off when the numbers get right, and so if you are going to go short you have to be able to stay short , also it's less complicated if you pick one that don't pay a div. ie like AOL, you got to plan and be able to cruch numbers..not dream and wish and hope..and wonder why she is so high, I can tell you it's not because of her earnings reports <ggg> The shorts themselves have run her up.. Jim PS. any one want to talk shorting with me, please go to nasd.com and down load all the short interset files back to early 95 put them in a spread sheet sort them, total the increase/ decrese month to month, chart it and compare it to the index and see what you get. Pick the top 100 shorted stocks note the increase/decrease month to mouth..chart it compare it to the stock price..( if you haven't done this your likley in for a surprise..the stock price falls after the shorts fall off in number , and rises in the face of the shorts, every single time were there is a 20% or more change in the short ratio..( thats what you hunt for ) ( only stocks that have 25% or more of the float shorted apply to this ) any one to lazy to do the work does not need to make money trying to short. And more over does not need to play one up-man ship with me when it comes to talking about shorting. I might add the data does not give the float, you have to put that in yourself..( remember it's the shorts vs float that counts,) I've forgot that a time or two myself. 25% of float puts it on the radar screen, 20% or more change in the ratio from one month to the next makes it a target..compare the ratio change to the stock price, catch a spike in price , after a fall in shorts..get ready to short..( as you just saw a squezz ) see shorts increase 20% as price continues to fall, get ready to go long or buy calls, ( squezz in the making ).. This is no I think, this is fact from the data and the charts. Lots of work went into it. Jim |