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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (198396)	4/10/2021 12:58:24 PM
From: combjelly	Respond to of 354811

It is pretty clear that certain groups expressing their anger is something he finds unacceptable.

To: Lane3 who wrote (198396)	4/10/2021 12:58:26 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 354811

>> But the underlying purpose of the event was to actively disrupt a constitutional process and stop the newly elected president from taking office Given that, for the previous five years, you never once understood anything Trump or his supporters believed, what in hell makes you think you know what their objectives were on Jan 6? That is a serious question. You believe he lied inordinately, we know he didn't. You believe the dossier. We never did. You believe the Russian investigation was productive. We could clearly see it wasn't. You believe the the series of of lies that came out of NYT, WaPo, cNN, MSNBC and others during the falsely predicated "investigation", we knew it was total bullshit from the outset. This list could go indefinitely. You believed the media storm of lies, we didn't. You spent five years in a fog of media created confusion. They used every trick in the book -- the dossier, lying to the FISA court, dragging out the "deep state" liars at the top of the intelligence chain (who'll say and do anything to further their positions). Three falsely predicated impeachment efforts. At some point, I'd think every one of you would have realized you were being made fools of by the media.

To: Lane3 who wrote (198396)	4/10/2021 2:01:17 PM
From: i-node	1 Recommendation Recommended By Thomas M. Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 354811

>> But the underlying purpose of the event was to actively disrupt a constitutional process and stop the newly elected president from taking office, So, this is your claim. On what knowledge do you make this claim? There is certainly no proof of it. And in fact, even when one looks at the list of charges, there is no indication of any evidence. Here's an example or two: Sara Carpenter - Knowingly Entering or Remaining in any Restricted Building or Grounds Without Lawful Authority; Knowingly Engaging in Disorderly or Disruptive Conduct in any Restricted Buildings or Grounds; Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in the Capitol Buildings Nolan Cooke - Acts during Civil Disorder; Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds; Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds; Unlawful Activities on Capitol Grounds ( Source) Cody Page Connell Carter - Civil Disorder; Obstruction of an Official Proceeding; Assaulting, Resisting or Impeding Certain Officers; Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds; Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds; Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building; Impeding Passage Through the Capitol Grounds or Buildings; Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building ( Source) Derek Evans - Knowingly Entering or Remaining in any Restricted Building or Grounds Without Lawful Authority; Violent Entry and Disorderly Conduct on Capitol Grounds ( Source) Samual J Fisher - Unlawful Entry on Restricted Grounds; Disorderly Conduct on Restricted Grounds ( Source) Nathanial DeGrave Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers; Civil Disorder; Obstruction of an Official Proceeding; Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds; Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds; Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building; Impeding Passage Through the Capitol Grounds or Buildings; Act of Physical Violence in the Capitol Grounds or Buildings; Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building ( Source) This list could go on for a time. I deliberately picked some of the most egregious charges I saw. There is a common thread here. None of these are charged with the death of another person. (The only person killed was Ashli Babbitt as far as we know). When they speak of "physical violence" they are typically NOT speaking about hitting or slapping another person: That typically boils down to, e.g., violently breaking a window. I don't want to say it was nothing, as some laws were broken. But to date there is no evidence of physical violence that amounts to anything. What we have is Pelosi trying to "make an example" of these protestors who DARED to tell her to fuck off. When told to leave, most left. The video of the cop politely "asking" some people to leave the "most sacred" chambers and they just all walked out together exemplifies most of what happened. Except the brutal murder by a cop of Ashli Babbitt.

To: Lane3 who wrote (198396)	4/10/2021 2:27:18 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 354811

But the underlying purpose of the event was to actively disrupt a constitutional process and stop the newly elected president from taking office, Then why did they leave, of their own volition and peacefully, before achieving that mission? Why is the DOJ prosecuting people who did not have that mission? Tom