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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (202812)	6/22/2021 7:42:53 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 362445

"White privilege", as a concept, has worked pretty well to wake up a lot of other people. We're dealing with two different things here. One is "white privilege" as a slogan and the other is it as a concept or paradigm. I had been talking about the latter and then drifted a bit into the former. So, the slogan part. You think it has been effective. It certainly has gotten attention, which is more important in a slogan for a cause than precision. I suggested that this particular slogan might have done more harm than good but I don't really know. I hope you are correct. On to the concept. I really, really, really don't think that privilege is the precise one. It's close but not quite. I say that as someone with the odd wont of wading around barefoot in a virtual thesaurus. I find it amusing and challenging and satisfying to pin down the precise concept in play, represented by the perfect word. There may not be a dozen people in the world who are into that, I know that no one else cares, and it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. But it's what I do. When I'm sure I've got the right concept, then I know that I understand the matter. Your strong assertion challenged my quest. [The Original Roget's International Thesaurus starts with categories of ideas, breaks them down into sub-categories, and cross references them. Imagine all the ideas in the world organized neatly. I bought the book a long time ago with the intent of reading it from start to finish, which has not happened yet. I haven't even used it before. But it is satisfying to me just to own it because its whole concept speaks so strongly to me.] I posted yesterday and then put the subject aside for my brain to work on it in the background, or not. So there I was watching an insipid mystery on TV when another word popped into my brain. The word was indulgence. My thesaurus cross reference has three entries: indulgence, indulgent, and indulge oneself. Under those we find: patience, consideratenesss, forgiveness, humoring, sufferance, privilege, intemperance, tolerance; and considerate, compliant, nonrestrictive, permissive, intemperate, tolerant; and reject authority, please oneself, indulge. I haven't given indulgence any further thought yet but I'm liking it so far. One may, for example, see the arrogance and intemperance of White teenage boys who get away with things that get their Black counterparts shot as a manifestation of privilege but the flip side is the indulgence of the surrounding society when it comes to tribe members. BTW, "entitlement" is definitely preferable to "privilege," IMO. "Privilege" is historically associated with the nobility and class structure in Britain. "Entitlement" is less a social word and more a legal word. Just noodling here. I subscribe to the notion that, if you haven't written it down, you haven't thought it through. So this is the start of the first draft on indulgence as the stronger or more complete concept. Since I wrote it here, I might as well post it here. New topic. I'm thinking that the underlying problem may be in a default, the default that the dominant culture is considered White culture as opposed to American culture and all others are subsidiaries or extensions. I recall the obstacles to the advancement of Black kids in thinking that acting for success is acting White. If that's the essential problem, then White privilege is a sideshow. I wonder if anyone has done the definitive comparison between American culture and White culture. I think that would be edifiying.