To: Lane3 who wrote (204645 ) 7/9/2021 2:09:33 PM From: i-node Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 362686 >> The most obvious example of current systemic racism is the justice system. Okay, we can at least agree that criminal justice is most heavily accused of systemic racism. The reason is clear: Blacks are more likely to commit crimes and hence be engaged with system. And frankly, they're more likely to do stupid assed things in the course of those engagements. I found a considerable article on systemic racism, essentially, attempting to prove it exists. It is linked here: There’s racial bias in our police systems. Here’s the overwhelming proof. - Washington Post Sounds promising. But I didn't find any overwhelming proof. What I found were "Cops hassle more blacks that whites", "Cops kill more blacks whites" (I don't know if they considered Ashli Babbitt's murder or not), or "When it is determined a black person killed a white person, that person is more likely to receive a death sentence than when a white person killed a black person". And some other variants. Unfortunately, statistics don't quite do these analyses justice other than as a top-level view. I read one article referenced within that appeared to be scholarly study from some years back, which found that blacks who killed whites were more likely to be put to death than vice-versa. It looked impressive at first but then deteriorated into lower quality analysis that simply compared these numbers which, of course, doesn't tell the whole story. It impressed the author, though. As to criminal justice generally, there IS a fundamental problem with the system in that great attorneys that money can buy do "get people off" (OJ Simpson being the premier example). Blacks can afford less than Whites, in many cases. But Whites are equally affected -- to the extent they can't afford better attorneys they probably have worse outcomes. At the lower end of the scale, "better" lawyers aren't more qualified. They are better "plugged in" to the courts where they practice. They know the prosecutors and are able to cut deals that you simply cannot get without representation. But it is not a racial issue, it is a money issue. I am not a death penalty advocate, I am extremely queasy about it and believe to the extent it is used it should be limited to the most heinous cases.