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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (1314165)8/20/2021 8:26:52 AM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1570744
 
Korea is a fantastic comparison to Afghanistan. Korea collapsed before the Communists as fast as the Afghans have, SVN otoh held out for 2 years while being boycotted by their former ally, the US. They were much more successful at standing up to their enemies. And THAT was what I was referring to.

The points you raise are irrelevant. Do you people know ANYTHING about history?

Why do you think Korea was divided in the first place, if it wasn't for communist aggression?


Sure but where was it going to from there? Korea had no land border except with China and Russia.

There is absolutely no parallel between Afghanistan and Korea. None whatsoever.


Its an EXACT parallel. Korea couldn't defend themselves against the Communists just like the Afghans can't defend themselves against the Taliban. That was the basis of my comparison of Korea and Afghanistan.

Korea never attacked America.

Korea was never a haven for terrorism.

Al the more reason why we could have ignored the fall of Korea. And Trumpers and the left both agree we should have. The impact on your life is irrrelevant to them.

America didn't care if South Korea became a democracy or not, as long as they served as a buffer to the Soviet-supported North.

So what? It took them 40 years according to your timeline to become a real democracy. Much longer than Afghanistan. Why give Korea so much time at such greater expense?





Korea is our longest war and no Trumper or leftist would hesitate to sell it out.

You were wrong about Trump selling out Korea. Nothing happened under the Trump administration. In fact, Korea was just as stable as ever, despite CNN declaring that nuclear war was "closer than ever" during that time period.

Trump unilaterally canceled joint military exercises to please KJU, the only Korean he actually liked. Without talking to the SKeans. That shows I was right! Trump treated the SKeans like shit just like he treated Afghans like shit ... in both cases he sold them out to their enemies and they could find out by reading the news.



The truth is that Trump was the first president in decades to not start a war with anyone. Fewer number of American soldiers died under Trump's watch than under any other president in modern history.


And when soldiers did die in his unnamed wars, the real chickenhawk blamed them. Remember the soldiers killed in African and Yemen. But those weren't real wars or something. Stories listed below to jog your memory:

Widow Of U.S. Soldier Killed In Niger: Trump's Call 'Made Me ...

The widow of a U.S. soldier killed in Niger said she was “hurt” when President Donald Trump told her in a phone call last week that her husband “knew what he signed up for.” “He couldn’t remember my husband’s name,” Myeshia Johnson told ABC’s “Good Morning America” on Monday, referring to the presidential condolence call that ignited a weeklong controversy.

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www.theguardian.com › us-news › 2017Trump bickers with soldier's widow over condolence call | US ...

Nineteen days after her husband was killed in action in west Africa, Myeshia Johnson told Good Morning America about the call she received from Trump. “Very upset and hurt; it made me cry even...

www.newsweek.com › niger-trumps-benghazi-four-usTrump's response to four U.S. soldiers killed in Niger is ...

U.S. Niger U.S. military Africa Donald Trump "This might wind up to be Mr. Trump's Benghazi." Those are the words of Congresswoman Frederica Wilson, a Florida Democrat who was present during a...

www.latimes.com › politics › la-na-pol-trumpHow did Trump's response to four soldiers' deaths go so wrong ...

Trump’s slow and sloppy response to the death of the soldiers ambushed Oct. 4 in Niger, in northern Africa, illustrated the hazards of his extemporaneous governing style, the disorganization ...

www.theguardian.com › commentisfree › 2017A fallen black soldier being disrespected? That's not an ...

D onald Trump’s reported response to Myeshia Johnson, widow of slain soldier Sergeant La David Johnson, has the 45th president of the United States in the thick of yet another controversy.

www.buzzfeednews.com › article › verabergengruenThese US Troops Were Killed In Combat During Trump’s First ...

Chief Petty Officer William "Ryan" Owens, 36, of Peoria, Illinois, a Navy SEAL, was killed in Yemen in the first military action undertaken by the Trump administration. He died when what the US military




But at least you didn't vote for Trump.



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (1314165)8/20/2021 9:07:21 AM
From: Brumar89  Respond to of 1570744
 
Evacuate Our Afghan Allies—All of Them
And resettle them here.

by LINDA CHAVEZ

AUGUST 18, 2021 5:00 PM


Jampacked with more than 7,000 refugees, the South Vietnamese Navy ship HQ-504 arrives at Vung Tau port, the South Vietnam' s most popular sea resort, and now the only port city in the Government hands. More than 20,000 Vietnamese refugees including those from Hue and Da Nang arrived at Vung Tau from Cam Ranh Bay, on board the Navy ships. The cease fire agreement was signed during the international peace conference on Vietnam the 02 March 1973 in Paris. (Photo credit should read STAFF/AFP via Getty Images)

[ Look at that shipload of Vietnamese. Their children are now doctors and lawyers and professionals and business people. Whether you have the guts to admit it, Ten, your SKean ancestors were the same sort of "losers". unable to save themselves from their enemies, like the Viets and the Afghans.
You're fully Americanized so much that you seem to have our worst vice - the vanity that our ancestors were worthy but later immigrants are lessers

What am I saying?: That we should have the same welcoming attitude to new Americans as we did when the Koreans and the Chinese and the Italians and the Irish and the Poles, etc. showed up. By an accident of history, my ancestors were here before the American Revolution. If I can welcome new Americans, why shouldn't everyone? ]


“How many more lives, American lives, is it worth?” President Biden asked the American public this week, defending his administration’s reckless abandonment of Afghanistan. But what about those Afghans who risked their lives to protect our soldiers, contractors, and embassy personnel? Are their lives not worth something? We are the most powerful nation on the face of the earth. Can we really do nothing to evacuate those who stood with us for twenty years?

What good does it do to have 6000 well-armed soldiers on the tarmac of Hamid Karzai International Airport when the people they are supposed to help leave are being beaten back on the streets of Kabul? There will be plenty of time to assess who was to blame in this fiasco—and resignations should come—but our duty now is to get as many people out as we can, even if it means risking American casualties.

We have a limited amount of time to accomplish the task. But the military assures us that we can fly as many as 9,000 people out daily. We can’t possibly check papers, do security checks, or even demand passports from those seeking safe transit—news reports suggest that many Afghans who had begun the process of applying for the Special Immigrant Visas had their paperwork, including passports, destroyed when we abandoned our embassy. The vetting that would normally take place in country will have to be handled once the Afghans arrive safely in third-party countries like Qatar, Albania, and Kosovo, where discussions are underway to house them temporarily. An operation this big—we are looking at some 80,000 or more people, including dependents of those who worked directly or indirectly for the U.S. government—will require resources and personnel working round the clock. But there are also organizations who are willing to help: non-governmental agencies, churches, mosques, civic groups.

This is not the first influx of tens of thousands of refugees the United States has dealt with. When Vietnamese whom we’d left behind started fleeing their homeland after the Vietnam War, we managed to evacuate 125,000 in fast order, and over the next 15 years successfully admitted 500,000 such refugees. I saw this first-hand in 1978 when two brothers who had fled Vietnam by boat came to live with me for a short time. I picked up the scared young men at Dulles Airport, clad in short-sleeve shirts, khakis, and flip flops, despite the freezing weather. Like so many of their contemporaries, these men went on to lead exemplary lives, acquiring education, becoming citizens, and contributing to their communities and the country. One of them recently retired from a career as an FBI computer specialist.

There is no reason we cannot do the same thing for these Afghans.

The politics of admitting Afghan refugees will not be easy. Already, the trolls at Fox News are warning of invading hordes. But neither was admitting so many Vietnamese. In 1979, President Jimmy Carter doubled the number of Southeast Asian refugees the United States admitted. As one of those refugees wrote four decades years later: “A poll from CBS and The New York Times showed that 62% of Americans disapproved. He did it anyway.” And so should President Biden.

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