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To: Nadim Mando who wrote (16879)2/5/1998 11:53:00 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 50167
 
'Nadim'- off topic
-of Soros and Islam'-please skip if you are not interested on this subject.

nice to have you on our thread- I welcome here contarary opinion and I will not like to stiffle your thinking on shorts- we may not agree on what you say but we will certainly defend your right to express albeit very unconventional thoughts-

Nadim you must have noticed that this thread is not about few levels we run with our few friends up here a 'soap opera'- we have intrigue, jealousies and drama all in one ticket- now to create all this needs a 'maverick' and that what this thread is all about.

We have treated global issues on merit we make opinions not follow what we read in press it is this independent line which is gaining currency and ascedancy- this thread has seen a lot of up and downs some of our critics thought that this experimnet will die soon little realising the fact that our mission is not to create a money machine on the thread but to create conducive inter- human relationship on cross border basis where love may overtake hatred and misunderstanding. Much as I love Quran and Allah I see that Bible and Torah Bhagavat Gita and all other Holy books provide guidance to humanity to reach a consensus of 'global unity'- I see no designs involved by anyone to destroy other societies- I know Goerge Soros I have seen him in LSE I find him one of the finest human being let me tell you what Dr Mahatir does not know- this Hungarian emigre Jew provided 250 million $'s during height of Bosnian crisis to encircled predominanatly Muslim community of Bosnia- this was the largest single donation to besieged town of Sarajevo- now we forget this super human efforts and highlight his role as biggest destructive speculator- Nadim if Dr Mahatir would have run his show well economically he would not face wrath of vandals- now when Qntm and Tiger funds pour money in ASEA we don't mind but when they see economic mis governance and attack currencies we find this as an attack on 'Islam'- let common sense prevail Soros led the largest attack on British pound in Sept of 95- now what will you term that attack?

Do you know what was the collateral benefit- Britian emerged as one of the most successful economies as they freed themselves from'snake' the EMU band which kept their interest rates far too high- this is the truth- where ever you provide opportunity present global market pundits will take opportunity- it is not about Islam or Christainty or Judiacism it is about 'economic mis- governance'- you better invest incoming hot funds with intelligence if your return from investment is lower than the funds anticipation this being coward captial drooves out in no time- Mexico Brazil at one point in time in recnt history are examples.

I think the need is communicate with fellow beings on basis of mutual' tolerance'- where ever a single drop of blood is shed we should condemn it - I find it very painful that we practice double standards and that is inhumane- we see conspiracy even in most professional of economic profit taking exercises we keep mum when innocent children are killed in political terrorists attacks- it is this contradiction of 'differentiing between human children' which has made me skeptical of our collective approach- I hope we can bring 'universal human factor' while judging actions of any individual. I will encourage you to post any further message to me on 'private mail' since I believe that this may not be the right forum to discuss such sensitive issues, however I don't mind issues being raised as biggest single economic threat to Wall Street may come from emerging violence in eastern societies- Oil prices , political violence and economic stability are three inter-related phenomenon.

You cannot judge markets devoid of 'political' undercurrents in eastern societies and Mahatir statement accusing attack on Ringitt as a conspiracy is indicative of strange logic. As a student of global markets I do give a lot of weightage to what happens around me. For me sell and buy decisions on longer term horizon are dependent on current contemporary political thinking and identifying pockets of trouble in our small little universe. It is because of this we have instead of few buy and sells commentries on issues and that is the way this thread will go forward. Keep coming.



To: Nadim Mando who wrote (16879)2/6/1998 11:49:00 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Respond to of 50167
 
Who poisoned Asia's currency markets?

By Paul Krugman
(1,683 words; posted Thursday Aug. 14)

ÿÿÿÿÿÿ Currency-crisis connoisseurs cherish the memory of George Brown, Britain's minister of economic affairs in the mid-1960s--the man who blamed his troubles on the "gnomes of Zurich." (He was misinformed; the relevant gnomes are actually in Basel.)
ÿÿÿÿÿÿ But we may have to remove Brown from his pedestal, and make room for Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad. Last month Malaysia's neighbor Thailand, after months of promising that it wouldn't, devalued the baht; and spooked investors began selling Malaysian ringgits (and Philippine pesos, Indonesian rupiahs, and so on) as well. This provoked an outburst on Mahathir's part that surely counts as an instant classic. Where Brown was vague about both the identity of the villains and their motives, Mahathir had a full-fledged conspiracy theory: The U.S. government had prompted palindromic speculator George Soros to undermine Asia's economies, because it wants to impose Western values (like democracy and civil rights) on them. And Mahathir's ministers expanded on his remarks with a rhetoric that was unusual for a government with a long-term interest in maintaining the goodwill of international investors: Currency fluctuations are caused by "hostile elements bent on ... unholy actions" that constitute "villainous acts of sabotage" and "the height of international criminality."
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<Picture: T>hese remarks were entertaining both because, as far as we can tell, Soros was not a major player in the crisis (indeed, he seems to have taken a bit of a bath by failing to anticipate this one), and because in the early 1990s one of the world's most ambitious and reckless currency speculators was ... Malaysia's government-controlled central bank, which got out of the business only after losing nearly $6 billion.
ÿÿÿÿÿÿ Currency crises often provoke hysterical reactions in government officials. One day your country's economy is humming along nicely, your bonds are triple-A, you have billions of dollars in foreign exchange reserves socked away. Then all of a sudden the reserves are depleted, nobody will buy your paper, and you can only keep money in the country by raising interest rates to recession-inducing levels. How can things go wrong so fast?
<Picture><Picture: T>he standard response of economists is that to blame the financial markets in such a situation is to shoot the messenger, that a crisis is simply the market's way of telling a government that its policies aren't sustainable. You may wonder at the abruptness with which that message is delivered. But that, says the canonical model, is simply part of the logic of the situation.
ÿÿÿÿÿÿ To see why, forget about currencies for a minute, and imagine a government trying to stabilize the price of some commodity, such as gold. The government can do this, at least for a while, if it starts with a sufficiently large stockpile of the stuff: All it has to do is sell some of its hoard whenever the price threatens to rise above the target level.
<Picture><Picture: N>ow suppose that this stockpile is gradually dwindling, so that far-sighted speculators can foresee the day--perhaps many years distant--when it will be exhausted. They will realize that this offers them an opportunity. Once the government has exhausted its stockpile, it can no longer stabilize the price--which will therefore shoot up. All they have to do, then, is buy some of the stuff a little while before the reserves are gone, then resell it at a large capital gain.
ÿÿÿÿÿÿ But these speculative purchases of gold or whatever will accelerate the exhaustion of the stockpile, bringing the day of reckoning closer. So the smart speculators will try to get ahead of the crowd, buying earlier--and thereby running down the stocks even sooner, leading to still earlier purchases. The result is that, while the government's stockpile may decline only gradually for a long time, when it falls below some critical point, all hell suddenly--and predictably--breaks loose (as actually happened in the gold market in 1969).
ÿÿÿÿÿÿ <Picture: Illustration by Robert Neubecker>

<Picture><Picture: W>ith a bit of imagination this same story can be applied to currency crises. Imagine a government that is trying to support the dollar value of the ringgit--or, what is the same thing, to keep a lid on the price of a dollar measured in ringgits--through foreign exchange market "intervention," which basically means selling dollars to keep the ringgit price down. And suppose the government's policies are, for whatever reason, inconsistent with keeping the exchange rate fixed forever. Then there is a complete parallel with the previous story, with foreign exchange reserves taking on the role of the gold stockpile. And by the same logic as before, we can conclude that speculators will not wait for events to take their course: At some critical moment they will all move in at once--and billions of dollars in reserves may vanish in days, even hours.
ÿÿÿÿÿÿ The abruptness of a currency crisis, then, does not mean that it strikes out of a clear blue sky. In the standard economic model, the real villain is the inconsistency of the government's own policies.
<Picture><Picture: I>s Mahathir's complaint therefore unadulterated nonsense? No--as Art Buchwald once said of his own writing, it is adulterated nonsense. The truth is that speculators may not always be quite as blameless as the standard model would have it.
ÿÿÿÿÿÿ For one thing, markets aren't always cool, calm, and collected. There is abundant evidence that financial markets are subject to occasional bouts of what is known technically as "herding"; everyone sells simply because everyone else is selling. This may happen because individual investors are irrational. It may also happen because so much of the world's money is controlled by fund managers, who will not be blamed if they do what everyone else is doing. One consequence of herding, however, is that a country's currency may be subjected to an unjustified selling frenzy.
ÿÿÿÿÿÿ It is also true that the long-term sustainability of a country's policies is to some extent a matter of opinion--and that policies that might have worked out, given time, may be abandoned in the face of market pressures. This leads to the possibility of self-fulfilling prophecies--for example, a competent finance minister may be fired because of a currency crisis and the irresponsible policies of his successor end up ratifying the market's bad opinion of the country.
<Picture><Picture: A>ll this, in turn, creates a possible way for private investors with big enough resources to play a nefarious financial game. Here's how it would work, in theory: Suppose that a country's currency is in a somewhat ambiguous situation--its current value might be sustainable, or it might not. A big investor quietly takes a short position in that country's currency--that is, he borrows money in pounds, or baht, or ringgits, and invests the money in some other country. Once he has a big enough position, he begins ostentatiously selling the target currency, gives interviews to the Financial Times about how he thinks it is vulnerable, and so on. With luck he provokes a run on the currency by other investors, forcing a devaluation that immediately reduces the value of those carefully acquired debts, but not the value of the matching assets, leaving him hundreds of millions of dollars richer.
ÿÿÿÿÿÿ In short, speculative sharp practice can play a role in destabilizing currencies. But how important is that role in reality?
<Picture><Picture: W>ell, George Soros pulled the trick off in Britain in 1992, but as far as anyone knows, even he has done it only once. True, it was an amazing coup: He is supposed to have made more than a billion dollars. It's also true, however, that there were good reasons for the pound's devaluation, and it is unclear whether Soros really caused the crisis or was merely smart enough to anticipate it. Maybe he brought it on a few weeks early.
ÿÿÿÿÿÿ The other currency crises of the '90s--and it has been a great decade for such crises--have taken place without the help of sinister financial masterminds. This is no accident; opportunities like the one Soros discovered in 1992 are rare. They require that a country's currency be vulnerable, but not yet under attack--a narrow window at best, since there is a sort of Murphy's Law in these things: If something can go wrong with a currency, it usually will. Financial markets are not in the habit of giving countries the benefit of the doubt.
<Picture><Picture: D>oes this mean that there is no defense against speculative attack? Not at all. In fact, there are two very effective ways to prevent runs on your currency. One--call it the "benign neglect" strategy--is simply to deny speculators a fixed target. Speculators can't make an easy profit betting against the U.S. dollar, because the U.S. government doesn't try to defend any particular exchange rate--which means that any obvious downside risk is already reflected in the price, and on any given day the dollar is as likely to go up as down. The other--call it the "Caesar's wife" strategy--is to make very sure that your commitment to a particular exchange rate is credible. Nobody attacks the guilder, because the Dutch clearly have both the capability and the intention of keeping it pegged to the German mark.
ÿÿÿÿÿÿ Oh yes, there is also a third option. You can erect elaborate regulations to keep people from moving money out of your country. Of course, if investors know that it will be hard to get money out, they will be reluctant to put it in to begin with. There is a case to be made--an unfashionable case, but not a totally crazy one--that it is worth forgoing the benefits of capital inflows in order to avoid the risk of capital outflows. But Asian leaders uttered not a word of complaint when they were receiving huge inflows of money, much of it going to dubious real-estate ventures. Only when irrational exuberance turned into probably rational skittishness did the accusations begin.
ÿÿÿÿÿÿ So Mahathir's claims that he is the victim of an American conspiracy are just plain silly. He has nobody but himself to blame for his difficulties. Or at least that's what George, Bob, and Madeleine told me to say.