To: Maple MAGA who wrote (177563 ) 9/1/2021 1:26:47 AM From: sense Respond to of 217588 Unless a stock pays a dividend it is not an investment, it is a speculation . LOL!!! That's just untrue... and ridiculous. You're making up "rules" that make no sense ? Why ? Who knows... ? It appears you are not a long time or experienced investor ? Here's Wikipedia on Investment : To invest is to allocate money with the expectation of a positive benefit/return in the future. In other words, to invest means owning an asset or an item with the goal of generating income from the investment or the appreciation of your investment which is an increase in the value of the asset over a period of time. In finance , the benefit from investing is when you receive a return on your investment. The return may consist of a gain or a loss realized from the sale of a property or an investment, unrealized capital appreciation (or depreciation), or investment income such as dividends , interest , rental income etc., or a combination of capital gain and income. The return may also include currency gains or losses due to changes in the foreign currency exchange rates . Investors generally expect higher returns from riskier investments. When a low-risk investment is made, the return is also generally low. Similarly, high risk comes with high returns. You’re not up on any penny stock unless you have sold it and reinvested in a dividend paying stock. LOL!!! Because... dividend paying stocks can't evaporate... exactly as any investment can ? That;s just a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of risk... The division in "penny" stock... is essentially meaningless ? The biggest stock frauds I've encountered and had to combat... are those conducted by NYSE listed companies annually paying out the typical penny stock market cap to fund their lawyers... who work to help them structure frauds and get away with it... There's as much or MORE fraud on the NYSE than there is in the better OTCBB or Pinksheet stocks in my experience... they're just quite a lot better at it in companies with the money to spend on financial advisers and lawyers... and Congressmen and Senators. Success... thus requires being able to TELL who is lying to you... and who is not... to be able to avoid the harms they intend to do... or to profit from those harms right along with them ? They are amoral... the money is amoral... which doesn't require you to be... ? Being able to tell who is lying... Sound like a familiar theme here ? There is also no difference in taking profits or losses depending on the market you're in, or the size of the company or the investment, or the nature of the thing ? Get it right... only in buying low and selling high... and you make money. Get everything else right except that part... and you're still going to lose money ? But, yes... "winning" over time does require buying low, and selling high... which does require selling... not just holding on and going along for the ride... whatever happens ? Success requires PICKING RISKS WELL... being right about the upside... and not wrong about the downside being less likely to be realized... Managing those risks well....including by avoiding the worst of them where you can... and timing things right...being patient when you should be... and impatient when you should be... is your job. And, you always can do that by avoiding risks... by not investing... or by selling and walking away when your ideas prove to be wrong... in the $$$ terms that are what matters ? I am successful, in some part... because "wait for it" works... both to avoid risks others don't avoid... and to "buy low"... But, you don't have to be perfect... only "good enough" in getting it more right than not ? That's harder than it seems for most people because... they buy groceries when they're on sale... because they can tell a deal when they see one... but they buy stocks when they're the opposite... because they buy based on greed in wanting higher prices, while accepting a higher price means higher value, and they don't buy stocks by seeking a better deal... like they would with milk, butter, lettuce, or eggs ? Give them a stock on sale... and they assume there's something wrong with it... since no one else wants it ? LOL!!! And thus, similarly... success in any pick requires timing choices well... so, "wait for it" when you should wait... and NOT waiting for it when you should act quickly... to buy at the lows and sell at the highs even in totally crappy companies that aren't worth owning... and also to NOT buy high and sell low... even in the best companies there are ? I recognize that you don't get it... so glad to help... Investing and trading are not really different... other than in the considering turn over and holding periods ? Investors are "slow" traders making long term bets... based on expecting companies to succeed and grow over time... and traders are "fast" investors, making short term bets based on market fluctuations that might have little to do with the company at all... and the two may use very different tools in doing what they do in making choices... but, otherwise... same idea ? I'm both... I buy things to hold for a long time... like Warren Buffett does... but sell them if they fail to meet my expectations..as he does. And, I'm a "pattern day trader" or "swing trader" who seeks to make money by trading stocks based on changes in market behavior... that occur often enough without anything that matters in the company changing its value that much ? I've been doing this since 1963... Probably don't need advice from you on how to do it ?