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To: koan who wrote (480239)	9/29/2021 1:15:18 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542841

"The Democratic party by 80%, have given Sinema an ultimatum, get with the party or else." Or else what? Or else she'll become an I or R, and vote to make Mitch the majority leader for the next 15 months? Or else they will primary her with a progressive, and the seat becomes Republican again? = "Biden has been pushing for the 3.5 trillion package" Biden has said he'll go lower.... Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said President Biden urged a group of moderate lawmakers to come up with a top-line number they could support for Democrats' sweeping reconciliation bill. Manchin, a key vote in the Senate, was part of a group of House and Senate moderates who met with Biden on Wednesday afternoon as Democrats try to figure out a way to bridge their divides on the $3.5 trillion package. “He just basically said find a number you’re comfortable with,” Manchin said, adding that Biden’s message was to “please just work on it. Give me a number.” Manchin told reporters that he didn’t give Biden a number he could get behind and that Biden didn’t give him a hard deadline for when moderates needed to turn over that number. thehill.com

To: koan who wrote (480239)

9/29/2021 5:48:44 PM

From: Cautious_Optimist

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In Arizona The Democratic party by 80%, have given Sinema an ultimatum, get with the party or else.

You make it sound so simple... including the right wing supreme court, was the failure of Obama to listen to the progressives in 2009 and go big on the stimulus package, which probably resulted in the huge defeat the Democrats had at the polls in 2010.

The Democratic Party doesn't elect a Senator. The voters do.

Sinema bucks her party; much like Arizona's John McCain bucked his on Obamacare for instance.

Sinema is the first openly LBGTQI to be elected to the House and Senate; she does not exactly fit the Republican MAGA mold.

Even Mark Kelly who won the remainder of McCain's term, who flew combat missions in the Gulf War along with being an astronaut, could not go TOO far left in Arizona.

The majority of Arizona people are not like you or me, or AOC.

It remains my opinion that going far left away from pragmatism is a ticket to disaster for progressives.

It's going to take a coalition, not an authoritarian ideology, if we are going to survive the push for nationalistic fascism on one extreme or a proletarian dictatorship on the other.

A democrat who spends their gunpowder shooting other democrats rather than by pulling together for a more incremental and broader-based economic policy is the Republican's BFF.

The American people clearly want significant improved infrastructure; its a question of cost and diverse target priorities personal, local, state and federal. It's not simple, and democracy means sausage making not just fragrant floral arrangements.