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To: David Mosley who wrote (4318)2/6/1998 12:11:00 AM
From: Mathon Dabasir  Respond to of 14451
 
Better grab a nap David. It's gonna be awhile...

Mathon



To: David Mosley who wrote (4318)2/6/1998 3:08:00 AM
From: Jim Davison  Respond to of 14451
 
David -- thanks for your long and thoughtful post. You make many good points. I counter with the following arguments:

In each point you are correct. SGI faces a tremendous hurdle in trying to market an NT machine. However, it is also a tremendous market, and the high end is wide open. In particular the need for big servers that can manage video signals will explode in the next two years. SGI is sitting on top of that technology. I believe that conventional computer architectures won't be able to keep up and will turn into bottlenecks. Fancy SGI machines already pay for themselves, but SGI has simply been behind the 8-ball due to the fact that UNIX is being pushed out of the mainstream. (It will be interesting to see if SUN can reverse that process with DARWIN.)

Can SGI compete with marketing powerhouses like Compaq, IBM and SUN? Frankly, SGI has been a failure in the past in this regard. However, Belluzo is the perfect antidote for this deficiency. With the introduction of an NT machine and a $40 million AD budget, SGI is about to undergo a personality change. Hey -- could the advertising get much WORSE? Well . . . no.

Spin Off MIPS? Maybe so. Anyway, the cash value of that asset is one of the things that gives me confidence that SGI won't tank completely. And don't forget the $650 million in CASH -- a nice thing for an R & D company like SGI.

Is SGI the leading edge, or the bleeding edge? Well, SGI hasn't really been LOSING much money -- just growing less quickly. New markets, new challenges -- new expectations, maybe a new ball game.

Once last observation. I think the Intel world has basicly been a game of clone vs. clone. I expect SGI's new machine will be a few years ahead of the pack, and will command a suitably high margin. If so, then maybe SGI doesn't have to turn in to a "Gateway" or a "Dell." For the last couple of years SGI forgot Sutton's rule -- "Go where the money is." The money has moved into the arena of NT. Let SUN struggle against the tide, and we'll see where they are in five years.

--JD



To: David Mosley who wrote (4318)2/6/1998 10:20:00 AM
From: Dan Packer  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 14451
 
The David Mosleys of the world should not be investors in this stock. Our favorite billionaire Buffett tells you to stay within your circle of competence; this Mosley is far outside of it.

The points raised are best answered as a take-home quiz by the questioner. Suggest that you start by reading the 10K and 10Q's. Then visit the company and get an idea what they do. Now visit the other companies and get an idea what they do. Talk to some end users and find out what they want. Finally sit down with an Intergraph or CPQ workstation with a Merced Inside and start it up. Quiet isn't it? Has that nice SSSsssssound of vapor.

Now David go out and buy some Sara Lee - great balance sheet, understandable business, and you too can drive off with a Twinky.



To: David Mosley who wrote (4318)2/6/1998 7:19:00 PM
From: Justin Banks  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14451
 
David -

I'll try to address your concerns one at a time. I'm an employee, but I'm going to give you my personal, non-employee, non-company sanctioned point of view. I hope you'll treat it as such.

1. Graphics is still a strong point for SGI right now, but the question is, will people need SGI's for graphics applications in the future as the Intel architecture gets more and more capable? Doubtful.

It wasn't graphics per se that made SGI what it is today, it was primarily the manufacturing sector, which realized what gains in productivity were available through digital prototyping and testing. While it is true that some of the lower end tasks have become accessible to machines made by other companies, most of this market is still far out of reach for today's mass market machines. In addition, as the Intel architecture gets more and more capable, SGI will be right there with it, stretching the capabilities of that class of machine to the limit.

2. Sure, there will always be high-end users, but that market is growing slowly compared to others - Cray was no cash cow, and never will be.

It is true that the HPC market is growing slowly, but it's over $1B/year, and it's still growing. SGI owns over 50% (not sure of the exact %) of that market, and growing. Cray legacy machines are just what you claim they're not - a cash cow. All the R&D on these machines is done, all SGI has to do is keep making them and selling them, for whatever margin they will support.

3. This NT computer that you guys are hyping... how precisely is that going to help? Does anyone really think SGI will make money on a machine like that? They are just entering the market way too late. Are they really going to have comparable tech support to competitors? Be able to mass produce it? Are they used to marketing machines like that? It's a machine that will be a complete change of mindset from anything else SGI makes. No way this thing will be successful. How many companies have pulled off something like that, in any business? Now how many companies have royally screwed up doing the same thing? That would be like my specialty chemical company buying a pharmaceutical - it just won't work at all. I'm thinking the NT machine is a gamey proposition.

The NT machine is a way to get at the commodity market. Not only does this provide an opportunity to get SGI 'in the face' of the average Joe, but it's a great chance to make great graphics available in large quantities. Look at the paradigm shift in console gaming created by the N64. 3D in every kid's room. Neat, but it also taught SGI a lot about how to do graphics for cheap. NT creates the same kinds of opportunities. As for our tech support, I can't say. The OS support will obviously come from MSFT, with the exception of the SGI H/W specific pieces. I would point out, though, that our tech. support is quite superior to that of the traditional wintel maker. Ever tried to get low-level specs on a video card that ships with a CPQ? What a pain. IMO, one of the reasons this machine is being brought to market later, rather than earlier, is to make sure that the delivery, support, and reseller channels are in place before it hits the street. IMO, that's the way to do it.

4. MIPS - should be spun off, that might boost the stock up to my exit point! Whoo Hoo!

Pardon my saying so, but I think you're up in the night. Not only does MIPS make a big difference to SGI today, in terms of both mindshare and money, but the future potential is amazing. Think of what the 68k did for MOT. Now, think of a better designed, cheaper, faster, and less power consumptive chip. Today it goes in cameras, laptops, video cards, palmtops, settops, etc. Tomorrow, who knows? With the right moves, MIPS alone could propel SGI into the living rooms, cars, kitchens, bathrooms, and boardrooms of most of the people in this country.

5. Challenging SUN is absolutely hopeless. SGI clearly doesn't have the marketing oomph to do it, and they've already missed their window. That would have been the last 2 quarters of f&*k ups. SUN is one of the gorilla's, and SGI is just a chimp picking up the scraps.

This one is an uphill battle. I disagree that we've missed our window. I do think that we need to act soon, though.

6. What can Belluzo possibly do? Can SGI really change from a high margin model to a low margin model, and penetrate a market already full of well-branded competitors? Uhhmm... NO.

He can provide direction and marketing strength. He's also a new face that will allow what Vincent's been drooling for all along. Amazing graphics, available at affordable prices, for everyone. He has the opportunity to turn SGI away from a niche 'high end' company, into a company that can provide the same kinds of products to Joe User. NT makes this possible. It really doesn't matter what the brand on the box is, because Joe User views them all as being the same (Intel inside and all that). What matters is price and performance. Our performance has always been the best, what we really need is to become competitive on price. Corporate mindset has been a big hindrance in this area, and Mr. Belluzo has a chance to change that, if he wants to.

7. I must say, I would like to see an ad campaign, it will help the stock out, but for an irrational reason. I mean, it makes sense for Intel to do ad campaigns, since their market is the entire American population. But SGI's market segment? It seems awfully small to use a mass marketing tool. Even for the NT machines. I haven't seen too many Intergraph commercials. The only reason Sun and Oracle are advertising is because they can't stand to let Intel and Microsoft be the only companies to advertise to the masses.

And neither can we. Unfortunately, it's hard to let the general public know that a R12k @ X Mhz is faster than a Pentium<whatever> @ X*2 Mhz because of architectural differences. It's hard to counter Merced FUD, even though

o It's not a real chip.
o It's a re-implementation of several already-failed ideas.
o It's too complex to be widely workable.
o It's too hot to ever be used in a desktop, or even a deskside.

Joe Public doesn't care. He just cares that INTC says they'll ship a 1Ghz Merced CPU in 2000. That said, though, have you noticed that we appear to be doing quite a few more press releases as of late?



To: David Mosley who wrote (4318)2/7/1998 12:30:00 AM
From: Mathon Dabasir  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14451
 
See what you caused David??? Everybody's coming out of the woodwork.

Very nice post I must say. You made your points well and refrained from personal attack. Unlike like certain spitfires on this thread who should empty the sand out of their saddles.

Anyway, here's my two coppers: Strictly FWIW, IMHO and arguably DOA...

First, as I have noted way back when, SGI's problems are not due to their marketing weakness, their product shortcomings or their previous management's inability to manage.

No sir. SGI's current problems center around their (previous) -charter-. Their -mission- if you will. You simply can't build, promote and manage something successfully if it's the WRONG something to begin with!?!

Put another way, SGI has outgrown themselves by succeeding at what they set out to do -15 years ago-. Back then they were a $0BIL start-up looking to grow 3D computing into a $BIL+ marketplace, then dominate it. Well, they did! Then they milked it to $3BIL, got drunk on hubris (thank you vincent), ran their idea guy out of the kitchen, and basically made a few questionable purchases which did little to propel them into newer high growth markets.

Enter Fall '97. Pay the fiddler time. OK, that's done with. Now it's the New Guy's turn. Not to worry tho. If you listened to what Mr. Belluzzo said on Day 1 you took these notes: "Leaner, meaner, back to basics". Which <imho> means "sell assets, downsize, then come back swinging a new sword". Maybe it's a hardware play. RB knows firsthand how an innocuous little thing called a laserjet can boom into a $25BIL killer app. Or maybe it's software. Someone say NSCP? No please!!! Let SUNW have them.

Bottom-line, they'll have $1BIL+ cash when the dust settles. Which could be worse for a CO trying to re-invent itself. Their present marketplace is tapped-out for growth beyond $3BIL (=$4BIL-Cray) so they'll have to do something soon enough.

As for NT strategy? Very scary but necessary. I say, don't stop there tho. Roll-out a PC board line and promote the heck out it to the -masses-. Strictly brand name recognition. Get the kids to -DEMAND- SGI graphics on their home PC's. Laugh, go ahead. But that's how you brand products. Look at INTC. Kids love those dancing wafer fab guys now and guess who's chips are "inside" their home PC's? And remember, would a low-end PC product happen in the old days? ..........Perfect.

jmho,

Mathon