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To: Jeff Hayden who wrote (220836)	12/24/2021 6:52:24 PM
From: Sam	Respond to of 362321

Wait--if you assert something 58 times, doesn't that constitute proof? re: With all your rhetoric to date, you haven't come close to proving your statement or that the election was stolen. So try again and prove it.

To: Jeff Hayden who wrote (220836)	12/24/2021 8:17:18 PM
From: Trader77	Respond to of 362321

Obviously he can't since the election wasn't stolen. It was the most secure presidential election of all time and Trump suffered a fair and humiliating loss. If there was even a shred of evidence it would have came out in any of the more than 60 court cases that they filed and LOST. But the truth never mattered to the Trump cult. All that matters is praising their orange leader. For the cult, orange is the new white.

To: Jeff Hayden who wrote (220836)	12/24/2021 10:53:55 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 362321

>> You are implying the 2020 voters were not registered, qualified, and following the most basic rules to protect election security. Of course I have. Perhaps you haven't read my posts. And you, like Lane before you, will never accept that the election was stolen no matter how much proof is provided. The facts are oozing out state-by-state now, and you still won't believe it. If you gave a damn, you'd read the article I posted today. You'd read the articles I posted previously on Georgia and Wisconsin. And frankly, you would read Hemmingway's extensive documentation of the theft. When you have nearly a half billion dollars dumped into six swing states in specific areas designed to attract only Democrat voters, you have a serious election security problem -- just from the outset. Before a single law was manipulated, you have created a terrible, inherently corrupt situation that cannot be righted, no matter what; the election is corrupt from that point forward. The Carter-Baker commission conclusions in 2005 found the biggest fraud threat to be mail-in ballots. This is intuitively obvious to anyone who has ever worked with document security of any kind. But from March-November, the swing states were dead set on using activist legislatures and courts to weaponize Covid to push more absentee and mail voting. Georgia is a case in point (but all the swing states are, of course). While there were numerous problems in GA, an extremely egregious provision effectively cancelled the effect of the signature checking process for mailed-in ballots (the same mail in ballots Carter/Baker referred to as the most dangerous security hole in the system). Previously, the rejection rate ran around 6.4% (in 2016). After these changes, the rejection rate dropped to 0.3%. Obviously, this was a cheat and grounds for discarding the election results, period. There were also extensive election night irregularities within the swing states that allowed the counting of ballots without proper chain-of-custody (which begs the question, "Why have a chain of custody if there is no consequence to ignoring it?"). There were people who shouldn't have been there (The Atlanta Journal-Constitution described it as "an alarming lack of separation between a top election employee and active political campaign"). This is another of those rules those who are familiar with document security recognize as a serious violation of basic procedures. The Trump campaign protested there were no media, no partisan observers, and no independent overseers present during the counting of ballots for more than an hour late on election night. This election was corrupt and in at least five swing states, there were intentional acts that invalidated election results. Whether it constituted fraud is a legal question. But the elections were unfair, there was cheating, there was "rigging", and that is enough in my book to be able to definitively state the election was stolen. All this, AFTER the corrupt Zuckerberg money was used to buy the election results in selected states. IF Democrats had any scruples you would, this instant, the removal of both Biden and Harris today.