To: Lane3 who wrote (221448 ) 1/2/2022 3:45:05 PM From: i-node Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 361321 >> The point on the table was that the FBI started the incursion. You changed the subject to Epps. Fair enough. We can't prove FBI did it as yet, but Epps is going to be subpoenaed when Republicans are in charge and we will get that answer in due course. When we do it will be as honest an answer as can be gotten, not the bullshit this fake committee is working on. >> how was it that the FBI started the incursion and which member of the Trump administration gave the order? Obviously, we have not heard anything about Epps yet because he has not been charged with anything, and clearly is hanging out on his farm in Arizona where he could be arrested today if anyone decided to do so. While there is fairly extensive video, which you surely must have seen, of Epps whipping up the emotions of the trespassers, and even "directing traffic" to get them to the place where the break in occurred. Until he testifies publicly under penalty of perjury we will have no details on why he did what he did. However -- 1. We know he has federal protection from prosecution, as if he didn't he should be the subject of an arrest warrant and he is not; and 2. Attorney Joseph McBride (representing multiple Jan 6 defendants) has said the following: JOSEPH MCBRIDE: After months of investigation, these people still have not been charged. We have multiple people on the ground, four in particular that we have identified. Let me call one of these people out. Somebody who was tagged on the internet by sedition-hunters as "Red-faced 45." This is a person who is dressed in Trump gear and Maga gear. He is covered in red from head to toe -- his face is painted Maga red. He has a Trump hat on. Yet, he is clearly a law enforcement officer. He interacts in uniformed personnel, he interacts with agents in the crowd, he passes out weapons, sledgehammers, poles, mace, some of those things come into contact with protesters who have subsequently been charged with possessing dangerous weapons at the Capitol. That is clearly entrapment. That is clearly the government creating conditions of dangerousness. And entrapping the members of the crowd to possess weapons and possibly use them for reasons that we cannot comprehend. At some point these facts will come out, but you're not going to get them from Cheney or Schiff. 3. AG Garland claimed he couldn't comment on an investigation in progress. Even though Epps is not apparently being investigated. 4. The public, in response to FBI's Jan 8 call for information on Epps, delivered quickly and said, "Here he is. Right here." Then, on July 1, between the hours of 3:37 a.m. and 5:55 p.m. , the FBI finally took action on Ray Epps. But not to prosecute him, or to announce a sweeping investigation or FBI SWAT raid on Epps’s house for all of his phones and electronics. Instead, someone at the FBI quietly and stealthily purged every trace of Ray Epps from the Capitol Riots Most Wanted database. He was not removed from the list because of being arrested; his name does not appear in any dockets or filings. Also, in every other instance, when a suspect has been found, the photo is updated with the word "ARRESTED" on the circular. In Epps' case, he was expunged entirely. 5. I'm sure you're familiar with some of the history of US deploying agents-provocateurs in protest situations. A small subset of examples picked from leftist WIKIPEDIA appear here:In the United States , the COINTELPRO program of the Federal Bureau of Investigation included FBI agents posing as political activists to disrupt the activities of political groups in the U.S., such as the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee , the American Indian Movement , and the Ku Klux Klan . [4] New York City police officers were accused of acting as agents provocateurs during protests against the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York City. [5] Denver police officers were also alleged to have used undercover detectives to instigate violence against police during the 2008 Democratic National Convention . [6] Also in New York City, an undercover motorcycle police officer was convicted of and sentenced to two years in prison in 2015 for second-degree assault, coercion, riot and criminal mischief after an incident at a motorcycle rally. In 2013, the officer, Wojciech Braszczok, was investigating motorcyclists by blending in with a crowd during the rally; at some point another motorcyclist was hit by a motorist, Alexian Lien. Braszczok is later seen on video breaking a window to Lien's car and assaulting him with others in the crowd. His actions were investigated by the NYPD and he ended up facing charges along with other members of the rally. Braszczok was eventually convicted on some of the charges laid, and received two years in prison. [7] 6. For Jan 6 coverage of this aspect, an excellent eye witness wrote here, only a couple days after the event: I Saw Provocateurs At The Capitol Riot On Jan. 6