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To: Bill who wrote (755901)1/24/2022 10:11:42 PM
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garrettjax

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I'd be against a war with Russia, even if there was no nuclear weapons, and if China didn't present a threat. It would just be too destructive.

But I disagree about the relative ability of each sides armed forces. Russia would have the advantage of distance, compared to the US. But if it was NATO (plus whatever you can get from Ukraine) against Russia, Russia would be extremely likely to lose. Yes some of what the brass has been doing and focusing on has been bad for the military, and if things continue and get worse along those lines it could long term weaken the US military, but that's long term and I'm talking about now.

But Russia would destroy a lot before losing.

And that destruction is under the no nuclear weapons and no problems with China scenario (and assuming NATO is united behind the effort) not the real world were great power confrontation can go nuclear, and were the CCP would happily see Americans and Russians killing each other and degrading each other's military and where you might not get untied NATO support behind defending a non-member. So in the real world situation it could be much worse. In the real world its just not a good idea to go to war over the issue.

I know there are some parallels with appeasement before WWII, but there was no nuclear weapons back then, and German's power was waxing (so if it was acted on earlier, at least sufficiently earlier, the war would have been easier, and Putin, as bad as he is, is no Hitler.