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To: Lee Lichterman III who wrote (51721)2/13/2022 12:23:13 PM
From: Sun Tzu  Respond to of 97060
 
You said Iraq was wrong but at least we did it for strategic national reasons. Which is to say that you made an excuse for the Bush admin and assigned nobel intentions to them. Had you been a Democrat, you would have seen the CEO of Haliburton risking national blood and gold for self serving oil and services contracts.

And in the same breath, you did the opposite for the Clintons, assigning self serving nefarious motives to them and ignoring any legit reasons.

So I'd say that you fit the profile in that post.

BTW, it's a matter of public record that I was against Hillary for prez. I don't love any career politician and never take sides with a political party - only with their policies.

That said, one of the things that Bill should be proud of, but can never be acknowledged publicly, is the bombing of the Chinese embassy. They were helping the Serbians and he showed more backbone than I expected from any president. Overall however, I'd give him a C, which is a lot better than the F I'd give the two Bushes.

'nuff politics for me. I've talked more politics this week than in all of past year.



To: Lee Lichterman III who wrote (51721)2/13/2022 12:23:44 PM
From: bustersmith  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 97060
 
Like I said, I don't know what was up with Obama's bombing anything that moved campaigns. He expanded our target areas more than anyone in the last 50 years.
Military Dental, Tricare, retirement benefit cuts and being forced into Medicare all came under democrats.

Like I was trying to explain. You can pick your poison to explain your narrative on the side you favor. The other side can pick there`s and we are all stuck in the same car at the beach spinning our wheels. Trumps decision for dropping the MOAB would have paid for a lot of dental work I think.

The U.S. decision to drop the bomb was striking for several reasons. America’s biggest non-nuclear bomb–which costs sixteen million dollars, and three hundred million dollars to develop—was used on one of the smallest militias it faces anywhere in the world. isis-k is estimated to have only about seven hundred fighters in Afghanistan, compared to the eighty-five hundred U.S. troops and the hundred and eighty thousand Afghan troops on the ground there.



To: Lee Lichterman III who wrote (51721)2/13/2022 1:50:22 PM
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  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 97060
 
it's 7:45pm, Sunday in Albania & I have too much idle time

you can pick & choose any argument you like.. & you'd be correct.
so, what I write below (after my own few paragraphs) is what others have said to me, so i'll try to stick as accurately as I recall.
this is lengthy.. a few people, a few countries.
the impeachment of Bill Clinton.. he should have enlisted Larry Flynt to 'out' as many republican spousal cheaters, queers, whatever closeted perverts he could discover.
that was a complete character assassination by questionable republican characters with failings of their own.
I mean, their great American hero.. Newt Gingrich!

for the record, when Clinton left office we had peace & prosperity.. also, paying down the deficit. he screwed the Saudis on a 6billion$ airplane order.. Airbus to Boeing. he established relations with VietNam. now, you undersell his effort in Bosnia.. a gas line? infrastructure a problem?

the truth is, as I've some time in the Balkans.. I'm in Albania the moment, you would be hard pressed to hear a disparaging word about Bill Clinton. he's the hero of Kosovo, actually most of the Balkans. there's a statue of him in Pristina Kosovo. hell, there's even a statue of Hillary here in Sarande, where my ass is glued to this chair. it's 7:20pm & dark, otherwise, I'd find it & take a picture for you. & yes, Bill bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. Bill did well.

long ago, in a Munich beer garden, I'm talking with a few Germans.. perfect English. they were of mention about Bill Clinton's involvement in the mid- 90's in the Balkans civil war, and later in Kosovo. he led Nato. he was the leader the Europeans needed at that perilous time. their words. good Clinton words, but words unspoken in the States.

I'm flying from HongKong to SanFrancisco a dozen yrs ago, a United 747 (never ever fly an American flagged airline overseas!). in coach, seated next to me, were two Vietnamese guys. turns out the one next to me was in the N. Vietnamese Army, but somewhat after my time there. currently, he's a businessman (self described) who has a family in, he said, Saigon.. wife, daughter & son. after the war, the government sent him to Germany for edu in eng, later England for English.. in addition speaks fluent French & Vietnamese of course. Clinton est relations with VietNam.. much later, visited & played the sax (he told me) for the people on the street.
Clinton had great presence in VietNam!

I'm thinking the world had a much appreciated, and a much better opinion of Bill Clinton than we do here in the States.
most unfortunate, but it seems as people in the States are much more comfortable with the 'dark side' of politics..

I'd give Clinton an A-
he could have done much better with the women.



by the way.. this is cemetery is in Sarajevo. if you note, the headstones are quite similar. most grave markers, ages early 20's. it was sobering to see the ages when they died.
the mosques are sometimes close to the churches.. their cemeteries are adjacent. not like what we have in the States.
Sarajevo has a lot of cemeteries.
so much for Bill Clinton not arriving there any earlier than when he did. he wasn't perfect.