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To: Sultan who wrote (52198)2/17/2022 3:09:48 PM
From: ajtj991 Recommendation

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In many places, newly hired public workers can only have 401k's, not defined pension plans, so the funding gap could be getting smaller down the road.



To: Sultan who wrote (52198)2/17/2022 3:16:31 PM
From: Lou Weed3 Recommendations

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What's a pension? <gg>



To: Sultan who wrote (52198)2/17/2022 3:20:36 PM
From: Sun Tzu2 Recommendations

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  Respond to of 97812
 
JNJ used to have this big problem with their pension promises. We fixed it via structured derivatives such that they effectively did a buyback financed with puts on their own shares.

My GF at the time had a structured derivatives desk (she later headed the structured derivatives for the company in China). Anyways, I remember she came home happy explaining the JNJ problems and posed the challenge to me. To her disappointment, I answered her right away, which made her jaw drop. She said that it took them more than an hour to come up with that structure...maybe I missed my calling.

Anyways, my point to you is that there are ways of closing that gap in either up or down markets. The two requirements are (1) limiting the risk, and just as importantly, (2) making it politically correct and legally acceptable so that you are not coming across as shorting your own stock.

They are both hard, but the #2 part is harder.



To: Sultan who wrote (52198)2/17/2022 3:34:00 PM
From: catou1  Respond to of 97812
 
that remember me 2008 when many companies wanted to change their pensions plan