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To: greenspirit who wrote (761470)	4/16/2022 10:00:40 PM
From: didjuneau	Respond to of 793708

I think I edited my post too much and the first line became unclear. I did not mean to imply that Ukraine is not sovereign. I did not even mean to imply that the Donbass republics are sovereign from Ukraine just because Russia recognized them. What I meant to compare is a military force killing civilians without warning. Internal or external - which one is worse? Someone pointed out that Russia/USSR purposely infused some primarily Russian speaking areas into the boundaries of Ukraine when they separated. That was to keep Ukraine friendly to Russia. Didn't work out so well apparently. I don't know what the answer is to internal strife with elections that get "managed" and militaries that get overrun by hateful ideologues. The UN didn't solve much in Iraq, the OSCE didn't do much good for Donbass. All I can say is I see the impulse to try to solve a problem if you have the capability, but you better be careful about what you get yourself into. Don't make a bad situation worse - no good deed goes unpunished. There was a funny post back in the middle of CoViD mania that applies to us and our impulse to interfere: "If the United States saw what the United States is doing in the United States, the United States would invade the United States to free the United States from the tyranny of the United States." If my own country were shelling me, I'd accept a little help from outside, but I wouldn't be happy about it or the situation that led to it. The initial help from outside should have been UN/OSCE. There's been plenty of shitty reasons to invade that didn't have to be made up. Russia does appear to be a kleptocracy, so there's plenty of schemers with selfish motives to go around. I'm not going to make things up. I don't let the big media make my mind up either. Big disgrace. Mud on their face.