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To: marcher who wrote (186883)4/23/2022 6:58:48 PM
From: TobagoJack3 Recommendations

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Maurice Winn
Secret_Agent_Man

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You might be right, but I face what I was taught from the get.go, right or wrong, programmed to consider what if dad was right?

:0)




To: marcher who wrote (186883)4/23/2022 7:13:04 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 217815
 
Re <<un-betrayal>>

Perhaps the Team US electorates shall give guidance in November, and be more definitive on direction 24-months later from November

I respect the choice, whatever the choice, and even irrespective of the choosing methodology, stolen or otherwise, as long as sustainably workable

Buchanan has his PoV, and he is in favor of allying with the ‘thugs’ of Russia to cripple China.

I doubt the soundness of his thinking, but only with respect to China, withhold judgement w/r to Russia, and must consider that he might be correct about the issues w/r Russia and Ukraine, because …

Drum roll

I remain … well you know

But, whatever the US electorates choose is fine by me because I have no influence in the matter, and can only GetMoreGoldNow whilst the exchange mechanisms of the Old World Order still functioning, even as money is no longer money, banking is not banking, but Gold, wonderful Gold, remains Gold

It remains difficult to be betrayed by Gold

zerohedge.com

Buchanan: First Priority - Avoid US War With Russia
Authored by Pat Buchanan,

Asked if the U.S. should send troops to fight beside the Ukrainians, Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del., said Sunday the time may have come.

Russian President Vladimir Putin “will only stop when we stop him,” said Coons.

“We are in a very dangerous moment where it is important that … we in Congress and the administration come to a common position about when we are willing to go the next step and to send not just arms but troops to the aid in defense of Ukraine.”
“If the answer is never, then we are inviting another level of escalation in brutality by Putin.”
In response, the White House affirmed President Joe Biden’s declaration that U.S. troops are not going to be sent to fight Russians in Ukraine, as this would open the door to World War III.

Said Biden last month:
“The idea that we’re going to send in offensive equipment and have planes and tanks and trains going in with American pilots and American crews, just understand … that’s called World War III, OK? Let’s get it straight here, guys.”


Biden added, “We will not fight the third world war in Ukraine.”

Since Biden made these remarks, however, the red line against direct U.S. aid to the Ukrainian military has shifted, though the prohibition against the introduction of U.S. troops and air power has remained.

The present U.S. position might be summarized thus:
As U.S. forces fighting and killing Russians in Ukraine would ignite a U.S.-Russia war, which could escalate to nuclear war, we are not going to take that first step and risk the security and survival of our country, even if our staying out of this two-month war means the defeat of Ukraine.


Call it the Eisenhower position.

In 1956, President Dwight Eisenhower refused to use U.S. forces to intervene to halt Russian tanks from crushing the Hungarian Revolution that had risen up against Soviet occupation and rule.

Ike was unwilling to cross the Yalta line dividing Europe and chose to let the Hungarian Revolution fail rather than potentially ignite a war in which our own soldiers and nation would be at risk.

Ike literally put America first, ahead of the Hungarians.

Where does Biden’s refusal to follow Coon’s urgings leave the rival belligerents in this Ukraine-Russia war?

Putin has suffered a series of setbacks since his invasion began.

He has failed to capture any of the three largest cities in Ukraine: Kyiv, the capital, or Kharkiv, the second largest city, or Odessa, the third largest city and principal port on the Black Sea.

- Putin suffered a humiliating defeat and retreat in the battle of Kyiv and has lost a fourth of the forces with which he started the war.

- The flagship of Russia’s Black Sea fleet, the cruiser Moskva, has been sunk, reportedly by Ukrainian anti-ship missiles.

Yet Putin has had his successes as well.

- If Mariupol, Ukraine’s major port on the Sea of Azov falls, as is expected, Putin will have his “land bridge” from Russia to Crimea. North of Crimea and in the west of Luhansk and Donetsk, Putin has also added to the lands he has held since 2014.

- Russia’s capture and annexation of the Donbas could be called a victory by Putin. Capture of Kharkiv or Odessa, the latter of which would give Putin control of the entire Black Sea coast of Ukraine, making Kyiv the capital of a land-locked country, would constitute a triumph.

Which brings us to the debate now shaping up in the USA.

Neocons and war hawks are taking the position that the visible defeat of the Russian army and its expulsion from Ukraine, and Putin’s humiliation and ouster, must be America’s goals. And these goals should be nonnegotiable. Failure to achieve these ends, it is said, would amount to a defeat for NATO and the United States.

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The problem with this victory scenario?

Putin has sent many signals that before he accepts the defeat of his army and country and his own removal and trial as a “war criminal” who engaged in “genocide,” he will use battlefield nuclear weapons from his arsenal of 6,000 such weapons to win the war.

Wednesday Putin announced Russia’s test of a giant new intercontinental ballistic missile.

Dissenters believe that Putin may not be bluffing, that an early and negotiated end to this war may be necessary to avoid a wider conflict that could escalate into World War III.

But, as ever, they are being charged with timidity and cowardice and letting pass a historic opportunity to administer to authoritarian Russia the defeat it invited with this invasion and that it richly deserves.

Yet, recall: To avoid war with Russia, President Harry Truman refused to breach Joseph Stalin’s Berlin Blockade. Eisenhower let the Hungarian revolution be drowned in blood and told the Brits, French and Israelis to get out of Egypt. President John F. Kennedy let the Berlin Wall go up. President Lyndon B. Johnson let the Prague Spring be crushed by the Warsaw Pact.

The sooner this war ends, the better for all.



To: marcher who wrote (186883)4/23/2022 7:24:13 PM
From: TobagoJack  Respond to of 217815
 
:0) I am being slightly naughty, but as far as the Neo-people are concerned, their playbook against both Russia and China and Iran involves settling down in Afghanistan, to be closer and engaged with all three tyrannical states

It might be time to return to Afghanistan now that the electorates memories fading faster, if we believe they are willing to contemplate entering Ukraine.

Yeah, that’s the ticket, and the sloganeering is easy, sounds nice, meaning righteous …
Return to Afghanistan!
… and the economic logic simple to pitch,
The lithium will pay for the return to Afghanistan!!
And cap all with,
Right the betrayal of Afghanistan!!!



To: marcher who wrote (186883)4/23/2022 8:11:49 PM
From: Maurice Winn2 Recommendations

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It did look like a baited trap to induce Russia to invade Ukraine so that they would be caught in the trap, ready to be gradually destroyed as USA's modern weaponry was supplied and deployed. I suppose Russia was aware of that hazard, being expert in chess which often involves placing tempting pieces and pawns to be gobbled up, only for the attacker to find a lethal conjunction of opposition lying in wait.

That's what happened to Saddam in Kuwait = he fell for April Glaspie telling him that the USA was not interested in getting involved in Iraq's border dispute with Kuwait. Saddam thought he might as well own Kuwait's oil as well as his own. Once in Kuwait, he was reluctant to abandon ship which gave USA and the Willing Coalition a green light to go gung ho on the attack.

This looks like a replay, but Russia, unlike Iraq, actually does have WMDs and a lot of them, so the gradual destruction of Russia needs to be more circumspect and cannot involve an outright Desert Storm roaring blitzkrieg attack on all fronts. USA knew Iraq had no 40 minute WMDs because I could figure it out and so could Scott Ritter, and so could others. So USA was unworried about a 40 minute mushroom cloud over Noo Yawk.

Russia can produce mushroom clouds anywhere and everywhere so the degradation has to be non-existential.

I do not believe Zelensky and USA were hoping Russia would do the dirty, wet work on Azovs in order to remove that element from Ukraine. The Azovs are very useful to USA/Zelensky/Klaus and co to attack Russians. USA similarly found ISIS/AlQaeda/Jihad useful in Syria to attack Assad. Similarly, USA/Zbigniew/Carter found Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda/mujahideen jihadists very useful in Afghanistan to "Give them [USSR] their own Vietnam" as Zbig put it at the time. That worked out badly and came back to bite them in the Twin Towers and cost thousands more lives in Afghanistan/Iraq as well as a $trillion or 2.

Mqurice