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To: skinowski who wrote (762692)	5/10/2022 10:38:01 PM
From: TimF	2 Recommendations Recommended By greenspirit THE WATSONYOUTH Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793920

Its a defense alliance with Russia being the most significant threat. I wouldn't expect Russia to be happy about it, but it would be pretty meaningless to Russia if Russia wouldn't make itself in to a threat to all the countries around it. OTOH if it is going to be such a threat, then joining an alliance against that threat is a quite reasonable, and reasonably expected action. Finland didn't win the Winter War. They imposed disproportionate casualties on the USSR and embarrassed the USSR in that a country so much smaller then it was able to hold them off for so long, but by the end they were nearing collapse against the overwhelming numbers of the Red Army, and quickly made a peace deal to minimize their losses before the Soviets could realize the situation and demand a lot more or just keep waging war. That peace deal resulted in Finland losing territory that had been home to 12 percent of Finland's population. Losing that land because of an unprovoked Soviet invasion is why Finland went back to war when the USSR looked like it may lose to Germany. They insisted that they were co-belligerents not allies. They would fight to get their land back (or at most grab a small buffer in East Karelia) and avoid losing any more (in early '41 the Soviets demanded that in addition to the land already turned over that Finland relinquish the Petsamo mining area (in the North of Finland, home to extensive nickel deposits). As for Leningrad Finnsh forces stopped 20 miles away and the Finnish government refused the German's request to help attack the city. Finland's fighting with on the same side as the Nazis in WWII was morally similar to the fact that the US fought on the same side as the USSR. Both the USSR and Germany at the time were lead by genocidal dictators with an odious ideology. Both the US and Finland were victims of aggression and responded to that aggression, with the only important difference is that with Finland there was a treaty imposed on them and then a delay before hostilities resumed. That might be considered a significant difference (or not) but it wasn't a night and day difference.

To: skinowski who wrote (762692)	5/11/2022 9:22:35 AM
From: DMaA	2 Recommendations Recommended By D. Long TimF Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793920

Disagree about Finland. Presumably, they won the 1939-40 war. Hardly, they lost 10% of their territory to the Soviets. Got ZERO help from the west. When the shit hits the fan and the time for pontificating is over "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is how every everyone in the world views the world. Interesting what if. Maybe if the Soviets hadn't brutally attacked an innocent country, and it so incompetently, Hitler might not have underestimated the Reds so badly and not attacked when he did.