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To: john wickenden who wrote (602)	2/9/1998 10:19:00 PM
From: JACK R. SMITH JR.	Respond to of 672

John, I pity you, trying to understand the creator. You will not do it in this life, or in the next or the next. You must realize that it is a done deal. You will never understand him or her or it until it is revealed to you by him or her or it on the terms which him or her or it describes and by its will. Never, never, never. We are created and finite creatures attempting to understand that which is not in our world or our capacity to undrstand!! Say that I am wrong, and you become wrong! I will not argue this with you, but I dearly love a discussion, and this one is too deep for this world and we are clearly fools discussing the infinate here, both you and I. I sign off here!! Foolish Jack

To: john wickenden who wrote (602)	2/10/1998 11:43:00 AM
From: Lee Bush	Respond to of 672

John: Thanks for sharing those concepts. I'm not going to continue this here as it is just too far off the topic. I believe I posted the reference to Dr. Humphrey's excellent small book in which he suggests that the universe is bounded and the earth is at or near the center, began in a black hole and became what he refers to as a white hole, light being visible as it emerged from the grasp of gravity. At that point, time dillation would produce a very slow clock, compared to the clock moving outward near the edge. So, under this scenario, it is possible to look at starlight millions of years old, according to the red shift, and have time pass very slowly where you are, (only thousands of years). All very interesting, but I'm in deep water when it comes to Einsteins' formulae (which Humphrey utilizes fully). C'mon Desert Dirts! Lee