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To: Sam who wrote (492570)

6/11/2022 6:43:01 PM

From: koan

Respond to of 544193

I just hope the world keeps supplying Ukraine. I think they can hold them to where they are.

The mistake Russia made, IMO, was withdrawing to just the east and south.

What this did was allow Ukraine to get "organized" without constant bombardment, and they are good at that.

I would love to read a book on what is going on behind the scenes e.g. how are the getting exports out like grain and oil, etc, to places like Poland.

And are they exporting ruined military equipment to Europe's steel factories for income.

There is a huge import export story that is fascinating I am sure.

I read the Pledge about how Israel smuggled in our WWII weapons factories that allowed them to arm themselves and win the 1947? invasion when Briton left.

Also the story of the Warsaw ghetto.

The Ukrainians seems very smart, like the Jews, and might make a better fight of it than people think now that they have room to breathe and get organized.

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I think he maybe talking about different time frames. Russia will win in the short term, but we cannot let them win in the longer term. We must support what will inevitably be a guerilla warfare against them. That would prevent them from inevitably going onto their next conquest.

At least, that is one interpretation.

Putin is like a villain in a James Bond film. Bent on conquering as much as he can.

To: Sam who wrote (492570)	6/11/2022 7:05:44 PM
From: TigerPaw	Respond to of 544193

Russia will win in the short term It would take a book to explain why, but Russia's attack on Ukraine (and Georgia, and Chechnya, and Moldavia, etc) is backed by the same oil oligarchs that are doing what they can to block any limitation on the oil industries in response to global warming. Putin has his own problems, mostly trying to accomplish something before he dies of cancer, but it is his own oligarchs who are his main supporters, not necessarily because they agree with his goals, but they want to remain independent in the community of oil oligarchs. It's a problem that has been stewing one way or another for 50 years, but it is only now coming to a head because the global warming can no longer be ignored. To keep drilling the oligarchs need a distraction that is even bigger than the weather.