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To: isopatch who wrote (764822)7/5/2022 4:54:28 PM
From: skinowski  Respond to of 793974
 
I think part of the problem is that Zelensky is not in charge. He listens to his EU and US “friends” - who, apparently, need the conflict to continue while they’re deciding what to do next.

Domestically, since the beginning of his presidential term he’s been threatened by organizations like Pravy Sector and Azov that he’d lose more than just his presidency if he “betrays” Ukraine. And those folks are far from being peace lovers.



To: isopatch who wrote (764822)7/5/2022 4:58:48 PM
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It might be more of another neocon-influenced screw up than Soros or any other culprit.

There appears to be an unholy alliance between the neocons, who are mostly Republican, and the Dems. A bit of history, starting with Robert Kagan, who is married to the infamous Victoria "fuck the EU" Nuland:

en.wikipedia.org

Kagan was born in Athens, Greece. His father, historian Donald Kagan, the Sterling Professor of Classics and History Emeritus at Yale University and a specialist in the history of the Peloponnesian War, was of Lithuanian Jewish descent. [7] His brother, Frederick, is a military historian and author. Kagan has a BA in history (1980) from Yale, where in 1979 he had been Editor-in-Chief of the Yale Political Monthly, a periodical he is credited with reviving. [8] He later earned a Master of Public Policy from Harvard's Kennedy School of Government and a PhD in American history from American University in Washington, D.C.
Kagan is married to American diplomat Victoria Nuland, [9] who served as deputy national security advisor to Vice President Dick Cheney and Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs in the Biden administration since April 2021, [10] [11] and previously as Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs in the Barack Obama administration. Nuland held the rank of Career Ambassador, the highest diplomatic rank in the United States Foreign Service. She is noted for her criticism of Russian policies.

What in hell is a woman who was deputy national security advisor to Dick Cheney doing as Biden's Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs? This is not a natural choice, unless there are some definite affinities between the neocons and Biden. Neocons detest the welfare state, diversity, all that palaver that Biden and the 'progressive' Dems have adopted. But I guess they'll suck it up if they can get us into more fruitless, expensive, country-destroying wars.

What is Nuland's husband known for?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kagan

In 1997, Kagan co-founded the now-defunct neoconservative think tank Project for the New American Century with William Kristol. [3] [5] [13] Through the work of the PNAC, from 1998, Kagan was an early and strong advocate of military action in Syria, Iran, Afghanistan as well as to "remove Mr. Hussein and his regime from power". [14] [15] In January 2002, Kagan and Kristol falsely claimed in a Weekly Standard article that Saddam Hussein was supporting the "existence of a terrorist training camp in Iraq, complete with a Boeing 707 for practicing hijackings, and filled with non-Iraqi radical Muslims". Kagan and Kristol further alleged that the September 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence official several months before the attacks. [16] The allegations were later shown to be false. [17]

This is the old Kristol, Podhoretz, and Wolfowitz cabal that gave us Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan. And through Nuland, they are deeply embedded into powerful policy-making positions.

And who is Donald Kagan's father, Robert?

Here you go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kagan

He was one of the original signers of the 1997 Statement of Principles by the neoconservative think tank Project for the New American Century, co-founded by his son Robert. [5] [6] On the eve of the 2000 presidential elections, Kagan and his other son, Frederick, published While America Sleeps, a call to increase defense spending. [1]

More on Donald Kagan:

en.wikipedia.org

Andrew Bacevich referred to Kagan as "the chief neoconservative foreign-policy theorist" in reviewing Kagan's book The Return of History and the End of Dreams. [24]

A profile in The Guardian described Kagan as being "uncomfortable" with the 'neocon' title, and stated that "he insists he is 'liberal' and 'progressive' in a distinctly American tradition". [25]

In 2008, Kagan wrote an article titled "Neocon Nation: Neoconservatism, c. 1776" for World Affairs, describing the main components of American neoconservatism as a belief in the rectitude of applying US moralism to the world stage, support for the US to act alone, the promotion of American-style liberty and democracy in other countries, the belief in American hegemony, [26] the confidence in US military power, and a distrust of international institutions. [27] According to Kagan, his foreign-policy views are "deeply rooted in American history and widely shared by Americans". [28]

In 2006, Kagan wrote that Russia and China are the greatest "challenge liberalism faces today": "Nor do Russia and China welcome the liberal West's efforts to promote liberal politics around the globe, least of all in regions of strategic importance to them. ... Unfortunately, al-Qaeda may not be the only challenge liberalism faces today, or even the greatest." [29] [30] In a February 2017 essay for Foreign Policy, Kagan argued that U.S. post- Cold War retrenchment in global affairs has emboldened Russia and China, "the two great revisionist powers," and will eventually lead to instability and conflict. [31]

In October 2018, Kagan said: "Unless are you willing to punish" Saudi Arabia for the assassination of Jamal Khashoggi, "then they own you." [32]

I believe that the neocon influence on Biden's current policy is an unbelievable danger to the US. How many stupid wars have they gotten us into? How many broken young men are they responsible for?

They have no judgment. Even Salon, as liberal a place as I can imagine, thought Biden's appointment of Nuland was a bad idea:

salon.com

And they're back!!!!
God help us, a dumb President who mollycoddles neocons, and who is probably too stupid to know how dangerous they are.

Can you imagine the dinner table conversation at the Kagan/Nuland residence? Zealots planning on how to influence Biden, who is too old and stupid and is therefore malleable.

I supported the neocon agenda back in the day, but I am sorry I did. They're the worst.