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To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (494099)	7/7/2022 1:28:09 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542132

>>subjective and even elitist. People without means often don't have the luxury to learn something that doesn't pay off right away. It is fine for someone who isn't living hand to mouth to talk about how great it is to be able to discuss points of humanities but when the landlord comes to the door a thought-provoking discussion of Voltaire or Cicero is not going to keep the sheriff from evicting you. Education was a luxury I got after serving in the military because I didn't get parental support in a form I could tolerate when I got out of high school. I found some classes in humanities were a cardinal waste of time where opinion was considered fact. I had to take an extra 9 units of campus-specific General Education from the same University system I'd previously matriculated from. And three of that was a Black Women's Studies professor who opined about a lot of shit that was simply supposed to be reflected back without critical thought. I was a working stiff working a full time job, with a new baby, who had a bit of life experience outside of "white privilege", and working on a degree that would get me paid. My wife had an Indian Studies class where the instructor decided to just give everyone an A whether or not they contributed. I really didn't have the luxury or patience to take that BS class but hunkered down and did it anyway.

To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (494099)

7/7/2022 2:47:48 PM

From: koan

Respond to of 542132

I am just talking about a good public education through high school and maybe a couple of years at a community or state college.

It has been my experience that the vast majority of public schools do a good job K through college.

Nothing elitist about it.

People need to understand just as they need to exercise, so do they need to develop their mind.

And we need to put to rest, the "myth" that some people are college material and some are not!!

Almost everyone is college material, 90% at least.

Anyone who can get through high school is college material and for the rest they need intellectual help the most!

We are born animals and we become humans. The degree to which we can learn modern ethics and humanity. .

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The term "good education" sounds to me to be entirely subjective and even elitist.

Defining "good education" is often a tool of power. The great teachers provide bullshit detectors and tools.

If education is defined as learning critical thinking as well as core skills (reading, writing, math, science language etc.) I am onboard. Reading classics as well as textbooks. Understanding how to evaluate information sources.

If education is defined as following Marx, Jesus or science according to Dr. Michael Savage Ph.D. Berkeley -- in the words of the Beatles - "you can count me out."