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To: koan who wrote (494256)	7/10/2022 10:51:09 AM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 540755

The Norwegians are very angry about what were low prices for electricity that are now high because they must pay what Britain and Germany would pay for imports. They had already paid for the infrastructure so their hydroelectric didn't experience natural price increases for delivery but extrinsic economic competition from without that sets internal prices. This is like food prices in Africa which are high for locals but relatively cheap for export. We kept hearing about how little they get for their money , how pensions were insufficient, and how politicians made things cost as much as possible and gave back as little of the country's wealth as possible. Each Norwegian has 200k Euros in the energy fund they amassed but house prices have soared and in most of the populated parts this wouldn't buy even half a house. That number seemed low considering how much oil they export - but their gas prices are pretty much like those of Europe. My experience is that their cities and layouts should be the envy of the world - I'd never seen a traffic circle underground before - under water with rescue rooms every 100 meters. The rural parts are incredibly poor, but have good roads that are only usable a few months a year. Economies are dependent upon fishing (which has been driven north into the Berents Sea - hard polar conditions) and tourism. The Sami are all urbanized and are the only ones allowed to raise reindeer. Reindeer sausage was like the worlds best low fat salami. Wonderful stuff you can buy in any grocery in the North - it is beautiful and stark. The people are kind and considerate.. They are fit but the cities aren't disabled friendly - they have an attitude that if you fall or are harmed - you contribute to that. No bad weather - just poor wardrobe choices. It is refreshing in a way where in America is everyone else's fault. They are all super fit and probably have a low incidence of preventable disease. Alcohol is expensive but alcoholism is common. We saw almost no smokers. It was not the ideal place I had hoped or imagined though.

To: koan who wrote (494256)	7/10/2022 11:52:32 AM
From: epicure	2 Recommendations Recommended By SuperChief Terry Maloney Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 540755

The Nordic countries aren't poor. They take care of everyone. Maybe, because they are small and used to be homogenous, it was easier to have a welfare state where people were (mostly) cared for. It is probably a lot harder now when they are more diverse. Diversity brings anxiety and a desire to "cut off" the "others" from benefits one (and one's kin group) "deserves" themselves. In our country we see that white "christians" (who are not christian in the least) think they are not only entitled to other people's money (for example, blue state money) but that they are also entitled to impose their religion on everyone else. Perhaps diversity brought down Rome and it will do the same to us. It's not like we can go back- no matter how much white fucked up assholes want to- we've passed the point of no-return in terms of how many cultures and races and religions we encompass. India is a lot like the US, in terms of it's internecine struggles- which won't make you sleep well at night if you think about it too much.