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To: koan who wrote (494839)	7/18/2022 3:06:25 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543200

Saying you "aren't sure" is agnostic. Dawkins never said that - he was absolutely sure that there was no God. I watched and read a lot of him. You gotta remember what I studied and my positions - I'm not arguing that God matters or that we need it. I'm not arguing God exists - in fact had Dawkins said "God doesn't matter", he'd have pissed off just as many but included me in his camp. Maybe we just didn't know where to look? Like in the center of black holes where our equations break down (not disprovable), or between the toes of giraffes as a yeast. Or that God was real somewhere inaccessible, but absent in human affairs - like the number of native cacti (or Bigfoots even) in a redwood rainforest. Habeas corpus vivus (alive). There are things that we can know, there are things we can measure, there are things that don't appear to matter. God appears to not matter because it can't be falsified. That was the nature of Dawkin's certainty. He believes that only things that can be falsified can matter. That is a belief and not a fact. Existence of electronics for a stone age person are a matter of belief because their falsifiability AND verifiability is simply out of reach. In conclusion, at this point in my life - I'm closer to finding out than I was 20+ years ago. I'm still not concerned.

To: koan who wrote (494839)	7/18/2022 4:37:41 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543200

Charles Pierce (the rightful originator of pragmatism) said:" we are all, at any time, in one of three states about anything Belief, Doubt or Disbelief. I personally don't relate to that, as Belief and Disbelief don't in themselves say anything about why you hold that position. Instead, I would say we are in one of two states, Knowledge or Ignorance. If you have Knowledge about a subject, you might have a "belief" or "disbelief" on the topic, but if you have Ignorance on the topic, one might say you have "doubt" on that subject.