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To: Brumar89 who wrote (1368768)7/27/2022 7:06:50 PM
From: Broken_Clock  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1576909
 
Evidence of POWs FROM VIETNAM: After the end of the Vietnam War, it was widely accepted that the United States had left many POWs behind, but high-ranking members of government said no, despite the evidence.
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For the last 25 years--most recently in November 2016--Pentagon officials have claimed the United States does not have evidence that American POWs captured during the Korean War were sent to the Soviet Union.

Yet as The New American shows in this issue, the evidence for such transfers is credible and convincing. (See page 17.) The Pentagon claims similarly about Vietnam, and has spent years trying to dismiss POW sightings, electronic intelligence, and even messages from POWs themselves.

Lieutenant General Eugene Tighe, former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, described the government's denial as a "mindset to debunk." Perhaps the saddest result is that many of the men reportedly alive as late as the 1990s could have been brought home. The chances are remote, but perhaps some are still alive who could be.

But like the claim that it has "no evidence" of Americans in the Soviet Union, the government, most notably Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.), has steadfastly refused to acknowledge what, again, everyone knows: We left men behind to rot in the jungles of Southeast Asia.

One of the most compelling media reports came from the late Sydney Schanberg, whose book The Death and Life of Dith Pran was turned into the film The Killing Fields.

Schanberg investigated the work of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs in 1991 and 1992, of which McCain was a member. In a lengthy piece for the leftist The Nation magazine, subsequently republished in The Americar Conservative, Schanberg proved beyond all doubt what everyone suspected: American POWs languishing in Vietnam were not merely the stuff of movies such as Uncommon Valor and Rambo II.

Readers can digest Schanberg's full account to find out why McCain wanted to discredit those who believe POWs were left in Vietnam. Here, it suffices to explain what McCain did, as told by Schanberg in his article:
   McCain has insisted again and again    that all the evidence--documents,    witnesses, satellite photos, two    Pentagon chiefs' sworn testimony,    aborted rescue missions, ransom    offers apparently scorned--has    been woven together by unscrupulous    deceivers to create an insidious    and unpatriotic myth. He calls it the    "bizarre rantings of the MIA hobbyists."    He has regularly vilified those    who keep trying to pry out classified    documents as "hoaxers," "charlatans,"    "conspiracy theorists," and    "dime-store Rambos." 


Not only that, but McCain "browbeat expert witnesses," while family members who "pressed him to end the secrecy also have been treated to his legendary temper. He has screamed at them, insulted them, brought women to tears."

The Evidence

Schanberg, who died in July 2016, was not exaggerating. 1 know because I was there, covering the story as well. McCain's bitter feud with POW activists aside, in his article Schanberg offered 10 key pieces of evidence to prove, definitively, that the Nixon administration left POWs in Vietnam.

Here are a few examples:

* Former defense secretaries Melvin Laird and James Schlesinger testified under oath to the Select Committee that the POWs were left behind, Schanberg wrote, and "said they based their conclusions on strong intelligence data--letters, eyewitness reports, even direct radio contacts." And Schanberg wrote,

Under questioning, Schlesinger chose his words carefully, understanding clearly the volatility of the issue: "I think that as of now that I can come to no other conclusion.... Some were left behind." This ran counter to what President Nixon told the public in a nationally televised speech on March 29, 1973, when the repatriation of the 591 was in motion: "Tonight," Nixon said, "the day we have all worked and prayed for has finally come. For the first time in 12 years, no American military forces are in Vietnam. All our American POWs are on their way home." Documents unearthed since then show that aides had already briefed Nixon about the contrary evidence.

* The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) collected 1,600 firsthand and 14,000 secondhand reports of live American POWs. Schanberg elucidated:
   Some of the witnesses were given    lie-detector tests and passed. Sources    provided me with copies of these witness    reports, which are impressive in    their detail.... Yet the DIA, after reviewing    all these reports, concluded    that they 'do not constitute evidence'    that men were alive. 


* Reports from Thai communications officers that American POWs were moved from one camp to another were ignored as not credible because they were from a "third party"--a third party, Schanberg noted, trained by the United States:

Here, from CIA files, is an example that clearly exposes the farce. On Dec. 27, 1980, a Thai military signal team picked up a message saying that prisoners were being moved out of Attopeu (in southern Laos) by aircraft "at 1230 hours." Three days later a message was sent from the CIA station in Bangkok to the CIA director's office in Langley. It read, in part: "The prisoners ... are now in the valley in permanent location (a prison camp at Nhommarath in Central Laos). They were transferred from Attopeu to work in various places.... POWs were formerly kept in caves and are very thin, dark and starving." Apparently the prisoners were real. But the transmission was declared "invalid" by Washington because the information came from a "third party" and thus could not be deemed credible.

* Government satellite photos show U.S. military distress signals on the ground even in the late 1980s and early 1990s. "Not a single one of these markings was ever deemed credible," he wrote. "To the layman's eye, the satellite photos, some of which I've seen, show markings on the ground that are identical to the signals that American pilots had been specifically trained to use in their survival courses--such as certain letters, like X or K, drawn in a special way. Other markings were the secret four-digit authenticator numbers given to individual pilots."

No matter. The Pentagon called them "shadows and vegetation":
   On one occasion, a Pentagon photo    expert refused to go along. It was a    missing man's name gouged into a    field, he said, not trampled grass or    paddy berms. His bosses responded    by bringing in an outside contractor    who found instead, yes, shadows and    vegetation. This refrain led Bob Taylor,    a highly regarded investigator on    the Senate committee staff who had    examined the photographic evidence,    to comment to me: "If grass can spell    out people's names and secret digit    codes, then I have a newfound respect    for grass." 


The late Billy Hendon, who represented North Carolina's 11th District before he became a full-time champion of the missing POWs and their families, supported this aspect of Schanberg's claim. He featured one of those photos on the cover his book, An Enormous Crime: The Definitive Account of American POWs Abandoned in Southeast Asia. That book was the result of Hendon's long quest to bring those POWs home. The image in the photo? "USA," followed by a classified code.

* The government also collected information, Schanberg reported, from a classified program called PAVE SPIKE that, once again, showed live POWs seeking help.

PAVE SPIKE used devices that were "motion sensors, dropped by air, designed to pick up enemy troop movements. Shaped on one end like a spike with an electronic pod and antenna on top, they were designed to stick in the ground as they fell." An aircraft flying above collected the information from the spikes. However, a downed airman--or escaping POW--could manually enter data and send it. Said Schanberg:
   In 1974, a year after the supposedly    complete return of prisoners, the    gathered data showed that a person    or people had manually entered into    the sensors--as U.S. pilots had been    trained to do--no less than 20 authenticator    numbers that corresponded    exactly to the classified authenticator    numbers of 20 U.S. POWs who    were lost in Laos. 


POW activist Dolores Alfond, who died a few years ago, gave that information to the committee, apparently without anyone contesting her claims. And that's where McCain comes in:
   McCain attended that committee    hearing specifically to confront Alfond    because of her criticism of the    panel's work. He bellowed and berated    her for quite a while. His face    turning anger-pink, he accused her of    "denigrating" his "patriotism." The    bullying had its effect--she began    to cry.     After a pause Alfond recovered    and tried to respond to his scorching    tirade, but McCain simply turned    away and stormed out of the room.    The PAVE SPIKE file has never been    declassified. We still don't know anything    about those 20 POWs. 


* When National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger negotiated the Paris Peace Accords in 1973, the North Vietnamese Communists pulled a fast one, telling the administration that it had only 591 prisoners, but U.S. officials knew they were lying.

Kissinger commented on a transcript found in Soviet archives of a briefing from a North Vietnamese general to the politburo in Hanoi. The general told the communist leadership that 1,251 Americans were in captivity, and that the regime planned to withhold them to squeeze war reparations out of the United States. Just 591, again, came home.

Said Kissinger, as Hendon's book reports, "If that document is authentic, and it is hard to imagine who would have forged it, for what purpose, then I think an enormous crime has been committed." Indeed it would have been an enormous crime. The Vietnamese likely believed the United States reneged on the promised booty. As Schanberg reported, "The North Vietnamese tied the prisoner issue tightly to the issue of reparations":
   They were adamant in refusing    to deal with them separately. Finally,    in a Feb. 2, 1973 formal letter    to Hanoi's premier, Pham Van    Dong, Nixon pledged $3.25 billion    in "postwar reconstruction" aid    "without any political conditions."    But he also attached to the letter a    codicil that said the aid would be    implemented by each party "in accordance    with its own constitutional    provisions." That meant Congress    would have to approve the appropriation,    and Nixon and Kissinger    knew well that Congress was in no    mood to do so. The North Vietnamese,    whether or not they immediately    understood the double-talk in    the letter, remained skeptical about    the reparations promise being honored--and    it never was. Hanoi thus    appears to have held back prisoners--just    as it had done when the    French were defeated at Dien Bien    Phu in 1954 and withdrew their    forces from Vietnam. In that case,    France paid ransoms for prisoners    and brought them home. 


* Schanberg offered other examples, continuing at some length: a Delta Force commando who stated he trained for abruptly aborted POW rescue missions; confirmation testimony by Admiral Thomas Moorer, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; a plan during the Reagan administration to buy the POWs for $4 billion, and the story of Colonel Millard Peck.

Peck was a highly decorated combat veteran who quit his job as chief of the DIA's POW branch, accusing the government of a "cover-up" and reiterating Tighe's conclusion that the government had a "mindset to debunk." Wrote Peck in his resignation letter:
   From what I have witnessed, it appears    that any soldier left in Vietnam,    even inadvertently, was, in fact,    abandoned years ago, and that the    farce that is being played is no more    than political legerdemain done with    "smoke and mirrors" to stall the issue    until it dies a natural death. 


Even the government's Select Committee report published in 1993 amazingly told the truth. One just had to read the whole thing, which, as Schanberg noted, most journalists didn't do:
   The Executive Summary, which    comprised the first 43 pages, was    essentially a whitewash, saying that    only "a small number" of POWs    could have been left behind in 1973    and that there was little likelihood    that any prisoners could still be alive.    The Washington press corps, judging    from its coverage, seems to have    read only this air-brushed summary,    which had been closely controlled.     But the rest of the 1,221 -page Report    on POW/MIAs was quite different.    Sprinkled throughout are pieces    of hard evidence that directly contradict    the summary's conclusions.    This documentation established    that a significant number of prisoners    were left behind--and that top    government officials knew this from    the start. These candid findings were    inserted by committee staffers who    had unearthed the evidence and were    determined not to allow the truth to    be sugar-coated. 


Documentation about surviving POWs in Vietnam was abundant: Sixteen-hundred eyewitness reports. Electronic intelligence with airman authenticator numbers. Distress signals on the ground as late as the 1990s. Two defense secretaries who say American POWs were left in Southeast Asia. And even more definitive evidence: that document found in Soviet archives showing the Vietnamese withheld more than 700 POWs.

That's about as much "evidence" as most rational Americans would need to draw something of a conclusion about POWs retained by Vietnam--but the government disagreed.

One Investigator's Experience

The government's official resistance to admitting the truth didn't begin with the Select Committee's efforts or McCain's angry attacks on "hoaxers," "conspiracy theorists," and "dime-store Rambos."

Before the Senate empaneled the Select Committee in the early 1990s, Tracy Usry, a senior criminal investigator in the U.S. Army specializing in white-collar crime, was detailed to the staff of the late Senator Jesse Helms, ranking Republican of the Foreign Relations Committee.

Today, 25 years later, Usry remembers three key areas that he and his colleagues on the committee staff examined: "Did we leave military people behind? Did the government lie about No. 1? Did the government initiate any action against the POW activists?"

The answer to all three, he told me, "was yes!"

Recalled Usry in an e-mail, "We published our first report regarding Vietnam. Essentially we stated that available evidence indicated we left people behind, lied about it, and initiated harassment of one sort or another against family members of those missing or activists."

And what type of harassment was it? According to Usry, "We found a greater percentage of fRS audits as well as harassment by federal agencies. [We] even found where a federal agency prohibited by law to conduct activities in the U.S. did so against POW activists."

In the end Usry told me, "American personnel were knowingly left behind after the end of the Vietnam war." The probe found likewise for POWs after the Korean War and World War II.

The government buried the truth, Usry said, because it's "politically advantageous to do so. Simply move on!"

Usry also observed, correctly, that "with the exception of the Vietnam war, all this was played out in the media at the respective times of each war. It had short term traction and went away."

Sadly, Usry's experience left him somewhat cynical. "In all honesty, this whole issue while I was still in the service soured me regarding the system," he wrote. "I listened to a general officer lie to a congressman regarding this issue. I interacted with two commanders of the DIA POW/ MIA office who lied about the issue. I challenged investigators within DIA who either lied or were incompetent!"

Like Schanberg and many others, Usry, who spent much of his life in military service, sadly concluded that the government lied about the POWs abandoned in Southeast Asia.

Some questions: How many POWs were alive in the 1990s when Usry gathered evidence, were any alive when Schanberg wrote, and, finally, are any alive today?

In response to that second question, Usry says no. Once Vietnam received the diplomatic recognition it sought in 1995, it likely executed any remaining Americans. Beyond that, 25 or so years have passed since the influence of POW activists peaked in the 1990s. And now, many of the activists and family members who spoke for the American boys left in Southeast Asia have died. And so the voices for those men have died, too. The Pentagon, Usry observed, simply waited for the inevitable.

One last note. As reported in our main story, Helms' staff issued a report claiming American POWs were held in the Soviet Union. That report ended in a mass firing, including Usry, in January 1992, yet before the year was out, Russian President Boris Yeltsin admitted that American POWs were there, some of them from Vietnam possibly languishing in psychiatric hospitals.



To: Brumar89 who wrote (1368768)7/27/2022 7:08:28 PM
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Never went to see so of course no camps were found.



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Biden lets Ghislane off the hook...she'll be living better than most of her victims.

"At FCI Tallahassee, inmates can participate in yoga, pilates, weights, softball, flag football, and frisbee, according to the Zoukis Consulting Group. Maxwell also will be able to watch movies at the prison, the prison consulting group’s website says."




Authored by Jack Phillips via The Epoch Times (emphasis ours),

Convicted sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell has been moved to a low-security federal prison in Florida, which offers a number of amenities including yoga and movies, to serve out her 20-year prison sentence.

Ghislaine Maxwell attends the 4th Annual WIE Symposium at Center 548 in New York on Sept. 20, 2013. (Laura Cavanaugh/Getty Images)

The Federal Bureau of Prisons lists Maxwell, 60, at the Federal Correctional Institution in Tallahassee, which is described on its website as a “low security federal correctional institution with a detention center.” A judge had asked to have her serve out her sentence in the Federal Correctional Institution Danbury, in Connecticut.

Accused of being a madam to convicted sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, Maxwell was convicted in December of five federal charges including sex trafficking of a minor. Prosecutors accused the UK socialite and Epstein, a multimillionaire, of plotting to lure and groom young girls into relationships with Epstein between 1994 and 2004. She is slated to be released from prison in 2037.

At FCI Tallahassee, inmates can participate in yoga, pilates, weights, softball, flag football, and frisbee, according to the Zoukis Consulting Group. Maxwell also will be able to watch movies at the prison, the prison consulting group’s website says.

Epstein was convicted of sex crimes in 2008 and was sentenced to house arrest in Florida. In July 2019, he was arrested on federal sex trafficking charges before he was found dead in a prison cell in Manhattan a month later, which the New York City Medical Examiner’s office ruled his death a suicide by hanging.

No RemorseMaxwell’s 20-year sentence was shorter than the one sought by prosecutors.

It’s been an incredibly long road to justice for myself and for many other survivors,” said Sarah Ransome, one of Maxwell’s and Epstein’s accusers. “This is for the girls that didn’t have their say, the ones that weren’t here.”

Judge Alison J. Nathan noted as she imposed the prison term and a $750,000 fine that Maxwell never expressed remorse for her crimes. The judge said she wanted the sentence to send an “unmistakable message” that nobody is above the law.

Four survivors at the sentencing described their sexual abuse, including Annie Farmer, who was briefly overcome with emotion as she addressed the judge. She said she and her sister tried to go public with their stories about being abused by Epstein and Maxwell two decades ago, only to be shut down by the powerful couple through threats and influence with authorities.