Might enjoy this guy. Also posted 11am another board bout same time, which didn't see tntpal (thx)
Shiver is communicating with an Austrian who imo is little blinded, regarding vax/virus/media propaganda/china.
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kcconnected Wrote: (08-13-2022, 02:29 AM)Springer1952 Wrote: I didn't confirm article but if true info is shocking. Title: "You are 25x more likely to be injured and 20x more likely to die if you get the covid shot" stevekirsch.substack.com 20 million people with 2 doses here in Australia. 96% of the population double vaccinated. I should be seeing people die or get injured left and right, roughly 5 million people this last year should have been injured or died...just not seeing it.
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Shivers reply:
health.gov.au
The link contains no info on injuries/deaths related to jabs, just # of vaxxed. Does Australia keep nothing even as underreported as VAERS in the US?
Anyway, if your point is that anecdotal evidence taken from a survey of a small number of readers or wedding attendees is of marginal value for risk assessment, I agree. OTOH, significant injuries and deaths are certainly obvious in peer-reviewed publications and government reports in multiple countries, and mounting.
VAERS data, as under-reported as it is, still records shocking numbers of deaths and injuries due, in the reporting doctors' results, to the experimental mRNA gene therapy jabs. Numbers even 1/100th of those in VAERS have seen all other drugs and treatments removed immediately from the market.
Rapidly waning and negative protection from the jabs and boosters has also been well-documented across many months in multiple countries.
For a jab that neither protects from infection, transmission, sickness nor death from a bug that in truth is a minimal danger to the vast majority of populations, there sure are a lot of defensive reactions in my eyes.
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kcconnected Wrote:
Not being defensive at all just not a fan of "do your own research". VAERS cannot be used to find correlation between events. For instance, if a person is vaccinated then dies in a car accident that same day it, is counted as a vaccine adverse event because one cannot know that it wouldn't have been, so science errs on the side of caution.
I keep it very simple. Drug companies do not make vaccines, scientists do. Now there is absolutely no argument from me that drug companies then corrupt that scientific work meant to help humanity to make obscene profits and absolutely abuse the science. My argument is that with out a background in research and backgrounds in chemistry and biology most lay people do not even know what the data they are looking at tells them when researching vaccines.
Here is my favorite case in point. I will now list the common ingredients that are in a vaccine, please tell me which of the following you would not want in you body?
This is a list of common chemicals found in a vaccine: Ethanol, Propyl acetate, 2-Methylpropyl acetate, Propanol, n-Butyl acetate, 2-Methylbutylpropanol, 2-Methylbutyl acetate, n-butyl propanoate, n-Butanol, n-Pentyl acetate, 2-Methylbut-3-enyl acetate, 2-Methylbutanol, 3-Methylbut-3-enyl acetate, 3-Methylbut-3-enol, 3-Methylbut-2-enyl acetate, n-Penanol, n-Hexyl acetate, E-Hex-3-enyl acetate, Z-Hex-3-enyl acetate, Hex-4-enyl acetate, Z-Hex-3-enol, E-Hex-2-enyl acetate, n-Hexanol, Z-Hex-3-enol, E-Hex-2-enol, n-Hexy 1-2methylbutanol, nHeptanol, Camphor, n-Octonal, n-Oct-2-enol, and 1-Methoxy-4.
In the above list I have just given you the chemical composition of an apple. This is why most people shouldn't be "doing their own research". You certainly wouldn't board an airplane with a pilot who had done his own research. People are terrified of what they do not understand and most people do not understand chemistry. Another simple example. Sodium (Na) is an explosive metal when it comes in contact with water and Chlorine (Cl) is deadly if ingested, but if you put them together they keep you alive and you can't live with out it. NaCl (Common table salt).
mRNA technology has been around and in use for over 10 years it's not experimental and without a degree in Chemistry and or Pharmacology it is hard for you to know for sure because there is a lot of very good misinformation out there and that misinformation is intentional. It keeps you clicking and researching and creating mad revenue with all the clickbait. Most people are being played and helping foriegn State actors complete their goals of overthrowing the U.S without firing a shot.
Just my opinion of course.
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Shiver Metimbers wrote:
I am grateful that you take the time to argue your position. The failure to discuss / argue what matters is at the heart of the visible destruction of Western 'democratic' (none are, different worm-can, don't get me started) societal structure: it is a priori impossible for a self-governing society to self-govern if uncensored discussion of issues is off the table. That is simple logic, not opinion.
It is also impossible to expect to understand, much less foresee, market movements as a subset of said socioeconomic structure absent discussion, but that's just my opinion, and also a different can of worms.
You had me at "My argument is that with out a background in research and backgrounds in chemistry and biology most lay people do not even know what the data they are looking at tells them when researching vaccines" since that's me, PhD in Chemistry with 35 years in academia and industry (specialized in Life chemistry aka biochemistry, medicinal chemistry, etc., admitted to Johns Hopkins Medical School and lots of experience with MDs), but the best [worst] bit was 'not a fan of "do your own research"'.
lmfao  I have taught hundreds of students from post-grad to high-school level (also my ancient mother and less-ancient wife) to grasp the basics, "that's too hard" and "I can't understand that" notwithstanding, and most of them could understand what is known about these jabs by doing a bit of homework.
Teacher part of me that meets student who says "must not do own homework" because 'not qualified to evaluate' = wilfully ignorant student who refuses to be educated or, more critically, self-educate (i.e. do homework) and wishes to rely wholly on 'appeal to authority' even when "authority" has been conclusively shown to lie and propagandize. In this case, said authorities include the CDC, FDA, AMA, Western gubmints generally, and of course Big Pharma.
Oh yeah, let's don't forget the WHO, bigtime, though that band led by a not-doctor never authored or agreed with "Won't Get fooled Again."
To start, all vaccines are not equal. The list of excipients (inactive ingredients typically included for shelf-life or ease of absorption) you gave may apply to some but quite certifiably not all. This jab, in particular, is less worrisome regarding its excipients (though several you don't list are of concern) than it is for its 'active ingredients' of messenger RNA and intact spike protein.
To middle, the Covid mRNA jabs are NOT vaccines except by the revised definition concocted by the CDC last year so they could get away with calling the experimental mRNA jabs 'vaccines' for marketing, not medicinal, purposes: they do not elicit the same immune response as the virus, the antibodies produced are inferior to those of unjabbed survivors of exposure to the bug, and the jabbed experience negative protection with time in direct contrast to immunity acquired by natural means. The VERY small-scale application of mRNA gene therapy over the last decade is NOT well-studied - certainly not across statistically significant, diverse swaths of populations like pregnant women or those of childbearing age, nor across years.
That study is what is now being run on billions of people with piss-poor controls and follow-up on side effects.
To end, these mRNA jabs were claimed by all proponents to A) protect against infection, as proper vaccines do, and B) remain in or near the injection site (upper arm muscle tissue). They have been conclusively demonstrated to do neither, and the accumulation of the dangerous spike protein and mRNA coding for said protein in heart, kidney, liver and ovarian tissues likewise extensively documented; other organs may yet be identified with accumulations as well. Translation of the mRNA into DNA was emphatically claimed not to be possible, but it has already been well-documented to have occurred in live human livers.
The statistically significant (scary large sigma in fact) increase in all-cause mortalities across numerous populations, especially amongst the otherwise young and healthy, and the injuries (and 10-25 sigma decreases in birth rates in multiple countries) exhibited in particular by women wrt to pregnancies, fertility, and menstruation, should not be cavalierly dismissed.
VAERS does not establish causation. It sure does indicate that serious investigation is long overdue, and to repeat: EVERY drug that exhibited 1/100th of the VAERS reports these jabs do was removed from use immediately. Period.
Btw the link you gave contains a fair bit of misinfo / misleading info that mirrors that put out by the CDC (shocking, I know). For instance, "public" (patient or parent) reports are nominally accepted, but in reality are not (many hoops to confront, and like the IRS the CDC finds ways to say 'nah, that there's an error in your 402c35eat7me form') whereas MDs who report lay their licenses on the line, as they are subject to criminal penalties (and of course loss of license to practise) if they file 'false' adverse effects (i.e. anything which could escape "that's due to the jab" classification).
Which thing in this set of pictures doesn't belong?
Most of the foregoing has been posted on this forum with plenty of solid links, a good bit in daily BBs but a lot in the Politics threads (go figure, since politics doesn't at all encompass the scale of this bidness) and some in Health threads etc. Having been gone for 7 years, it might take some time to go check it all out.
Thanks again for being willing to lay some cards on the table and permit me to do the same. Hope Down Under continues to be awesome for ya - I sure enjoyed every Aussie I had the pleasure to meet and drink with here and across the pond.
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Fwiw, the "common chemicals in vaccines" = "list of chemicals in apples" is woefully incomplete. Don't know what site you used to get that list, but it leaves out some biggies like cellulose, pectin, vitamin C...
and the last 'chemical' listed is not "1-Methoxy-4" (which is nonsensical) but 1-Methoxy-4-(2-propenyl) benzene, aka methylchavicol or more commonly estragole. Tastes and smells like anise, and yep, don't mind at all if I eat or drink it, especially if furnished in the form of ouzo.
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alx13 wrote:
Thanks for taking the time and effort to write that. Wanted to rep ya', but damn button won't work...
Anyhow, just my 2c on this. I absolutely do NOT agree with the don't do your own research, trust the "experts". The so-called experts were dead wrong on everything tied to C-19 from lockdowns, to transmision, to masks and finally to jabs. Ofc, I can agree that a layman doesn't know chemistry and cannot tell if a respective jab is poison or not. But what you can do it use your critical thinking and listen to both sides. For me a MAJOR warning signal was when ALL oppossing views vs the propaganda (er, or let's call it main-stream "expert opinions") tied to C-19 were censored, regardless if they were coming from laymen or doctors with decades of experience (Dr. Mccullough is one of the most famous ones that comes to mind). There was absolutely NO dialogue on this. The "experts" came out with ridiculous statements, out of which some were later discovered to be pure fantasy and have absolutely no basis (like the laughable social-distance in feet/meters). And we should just "not do our own research" and trust these characters?! 
I do not understand this opinion coming from an Australian, tbh, since the government down there was among the most fascist (prolly only China was worse). Isolating people in concentration camps if they are sick of this, otherwise undeadly virus, is beyond absurd.
That being said, the jabs injuries/deaths are a mistery for me too because with the proclaimed 90%+ vaxx rates we just aren't seeing the numbers of injuries/deaths that one would think we should be seeing. However I believe the explanation can be two-fold:
1. The numbers of vaxxed are inflated. How can we know the vaxx number is really 90% in a population as oppossed to say 80% or even 50%?
2. The injuries are potentially time-sensitive. Except the poor souls that die within 3 days or a short period after the jab, the accumulation of spike protein or other adverse effects could take years before it becomes fatal or causes a strong injury that is uncovered.
3. I have a strong suspicion the jabs are not all done "the same" and each lot has different characteristics. That allows for this massive experiment to unfold and could potentially explain why some were unlucky (as in point 2) and then others just weren't.
For me, as a critical thinker and definitely not a chemistry expert, the jabs have something very suspicious tied to them. IMO there is 0% chance this is about public health as the "experts" and governments are trying to sell us. When was the last time a government FORCED YOU to do something FOR YOUR OWN GOOD ?
If vaxxed people get myocarditis (as I read some articles about kids younger than 21 with something like a 60% chance, which is monstrous), or simply get their immune system shut down or get other problematic things is unlikely to surface any time soon, because of the CENSORSHIP. No one is allowed to report this and even the unlucky ones which get side effects are unlikely to reach too many people except their family&friends. On top of that, it is a rather evil-genius plan with this jab that it can affect people in different ways. If one dies of a heart attack and one of liver failure, how can you prove they are both related to a jab they took more than 1y ago?! You can't, not without reasonable doubt.
We are likely to see the full effects on the jabbed in a number of years, but by then it will be too late.
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Shiver:
To your point #1: I submit that we are seeing that evidence, though in all cases hand-waving attempts to explain it away as anything and everything BUT the jabs are in full swing. We may well see more down the road, as your closing and point #2 suggest, but there was plenty a year ago and far more now.
Never before in the history of modern man have athletes in their prime been dropping dead on the pitch in the middle of games, or experiencing heart issues that sideline them. Previously healthy young men down to high school age being admitted to hospitals for heart problems across every country using the mRNA jabs, and the official response is "it's a mystery, we don't understand what's causing this." That every one of these cases are jabbed is simply ignored.
The shocking drop in birth rates / fertility and whack menstruation is further evidence. It is not small, it is enormous, doctors are linking it solidly to the jabs, and even Fauci is getting a lot of pushback from big name doctors in the field on his 'temporary and rare' bs comments.
All the adverse effect databases show massive red flags, which is what they are designed to do. One needs no chemistry or biology degrees to understand whether a given drug does what it claims (efficacy) and doesn't cause more harm than good (safety). All of those databases indicate largest-of-its-kind-ever safety flags, the flags were already apparent in early 2021... and the opposite of the normal response ensued. Instead of caution or removal of the jabs, we got mandated jabbing, demonization of anyone refusing the jabs or wanting to discuss the flags, etc.
The failure to act on said red flags, to halt distribution and use of the jabs, much less to pursue vigorous investigation with close monitoring of jabbed and unjabbed cohorts, and especially full autopsies to establish direct evidence or lack thereof, is unprecedented in the history of modern medicine.
To your point#3: One can do meta-analysis to indicate additional kinds of trouble that should be investigated properly. A Nov 2021 report from Craig Pardekooper, a Kingston University (London) fellow, tracked incident frequency by batch/lot# of jabs and found that a tiny fraction (5% of lots) accounted for >90% of reported injuries and deaths. The study was cited in Blaylock's Apr 2022 scathing summary of the state of science in this area.
It is stunning to me that the medical establishment has abandoned long-standing protocols at every stage of the response to this bug. Boards are still stripping doctors' licenses for prescribing ivermectin or HCQ instead of making no-harm early treatment the norm. Autopsies on supposed covid deaths were and are rare instead of standard. Ditto for those apparently killed by the jabs.
The hard evidence autopsies provide is NOT being gathered, rigorous follow-up on identified cohorts is NOT being done, and so people can claim "aha, correlation is not causation!"
Rather the point, I suspect.
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Australian Medical Professionals Society has thrown down the glove to the medical and political establishment Down Under. We'll see if they get a fair hearing and some positive change or whether they get the Trudeau Trucker Special.
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