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To: Thomas M. who wrote (14301)	9/27/2022 9:06:34 PM
From: TimF	1 Recommendation Recommended By kidl Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

Almost certainly they did not. No reason to do so. Also your links don't give a shred of evidence to back up your claim. Someone else stating that opinion is not evidence.

To: Thomas M. who wrote (14301)	9/28/2022 10:24:28 AM
From: Thomas M.	1 Recommendation Recommended By DinoNavarre Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

Stephen McIntyre does his usual meticulous work: twitter.com highlights: In June 2022, the US and NATO carried out an extensive "training" exercise near Bornholm Island in exact area where Nordstream was sabotaged One of the major "achievements" of the operation was the collection of over 200 hours of undersea data - data which presumably included precision mapping of the exact location of the Nordstream pipelines that was sufficiently precise for remote sabotage. Four weeks ago, in August 2022, the UK trained Ukrainian specialists in the use of underwater drone. Tom

To: Thomas M. who wrote (14301)	9/30/2022 4:10:22 PM
From: Thomas M.	Respond to of 15987

The U.S. military is not the only force that was near the area of the pipeline damage. Just a 100 kilometer south is the Polish naval base Kolobrzeg (the former German Kolberg) which harbors mine laying ships and the 8th Kolobrzeg Naval Combat Engineer Battalion. Naval combat engineers are experts in blowing up anything that is under water, be it mines or pipelines. In 2021, while Nord Stream 2 was still being build, the Polish navy had interfered and endangered the pipe laying vessels in the very same place. Artifaktus @bzyqer - 7:49 UTC · Sep 28, 2022 Gdy Wy mycie zeby, przebieracie sie w pizamy i szykujecie do snu, jeden niestrudzony Polak wyrusza w swoja lodzia w kierunku Bornholmu majac na sercu dobro Polski a moze i Niemiec ... Translated from Polish by Google When you brush your teeth, put on your pajamas and get ready to go to sleep, one tireless Pole sets off in his boat towards Bornholm with the good of Poland and maybe Germany at heart ... Image During the recent Ukraine crisis Poland has rejected to receive Russian gas. It closed the Yamal pipeline that transports natural gas from Russia to Germany. Poland continued to consume Russia gas. It received it from Germany which had received it through the Nord Stream I pipeline from Russia. Poland and Denmark have build a new sub sea pipeline which connects it to the pipeline that brings Norwegian gas to the Netherlands and Europe. The pipeline was opened yesterday, the very same day the Nord Stream system was sabotaged. The Baltic Pipe has a capacity of only 10 billion cubic meters per year. The Nord Stream system could carry up to 110 cubic meter per year. All of which is needed to keep Europe's industries running. For more on Poland's involvement, likely in cooperation with the U.S., read these informed speculations by John Helmer: The explosions at Bornholm are the new Polish strike for war in Europe against Chancellor Olaf Scholz. So far the Chancellery in Berlin is silent, tellingly. The Poles should be reminded that other countries also have the capabilities to sabotage sub sea pipelines. Radoslaw Sikorski is a former Minister of Defense and Foreign Minister of Poland. He is now a Member of the European Parliament. Yesterday he posted a picture of the gas escaping the damaged Nord Stream pipelines and thanked the U.S. for blowing them up. bigger Sikorski is married to the neoconservative writer Anne Appelbaum who is notorious for her anti-Russian and anti-German screeds widely published in U.S. media. more: moonofalabama.org Tom