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To: Maple MAGA who wrote (773515)	12/9/2022 6:42:38 PM
From: Maurice Winn	4 Recommendations Recommended By 3bar alanrs MulhollandDrive skinowski Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793731

"Virtuous Victorian Values" is a quite simple concept to anyone who can think a little. People who can't think think they are thinking by leaping to "Victorian", and commenting on various horrors and defects of that time by one or more individuals and thereby thinking they've made some argument against the idea that the Great and Glorious British Empire was founded on Virtuous Victorian Values, more or less, near enough for government work, over a greater or lesser time. Any simpleton knows that virtue in any place at any time and in any individual is not cast in stone. Being the first to cast a stone at VVVs is claiming the position of mindless moron who can't think other than in simplistic caricatures. "White man bad. Got rich by robbing brown victims by totalitarian conquest". Any simpleton should be able to figure out that virtuous ideas vary in individuals, groups, countries and time. For example, to help simpletons, a 2 year old infant isn't strong on VVVs. They tend to focus intensely on what suits them at any particular time. By the time they are 10 they will normally have developed improved values. And so on through their life. Actually, I can't be bothered explaining VVVs because anybody who claims to be unable to understand is beyond explaining and understanding. Chimps are very low on VVVs. Highly functioning humans are not. You could try writing a list of virtuous values and seeing how many correlate with successful people and countries. If they don't strongly correlate with successful people and countries, they are probably NOT virtuous values you have enumerated. For example "caring and sharing hippie commune" might seem to some as a VVV. But you will find no hippie commune that has been successful. Hong Kong was a place of VVVs for example. And their success was enormous. Now Mainlanders have taken over = big decline in VVVs. Zimbabwe with Mugabe was not. Their failure was enormous. USSR was weak on VVVs. Their horrors and failure were world champion. Dr Irwin Jacobs was great on VVVs and had fantastic success, enabling the most amazingness in biological history. The Great and Glorious British Empire had a great range of virtuous values. In their fading and decline in the 20th century they exhibited much decline in virtuous values = socialist kleptocracy for example. You could have a go at making lists of success and seeing how much virtuous values correlate. Made in China went from Maoistic murderous totalitarian robbing, to Deng Xiao Ping's black and white cats, private property and later Hu Jintao corruption reduction. Sure it's not the complete range of virtue but they certainly exhibit a lot more than bygone times. They seem unlikely to allow individuals maximum degrees of freedom so I assume they'll peak early = it's a fatal flaw. USA is failing fast in VVVs, including greater individual suppression, vast taxation and robbery, wastrelism and degradation. Maybe they'll turn it around. I can't think of many places that have done so. Mqurice