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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (773642)	12/11/2022 7:49:32 PM
From: jpdunwell	2 Recommendations Recommended By alanrs Winfastorlose Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793639

I follow your reasoning, but believe you are making some very faulty assumptions, and are in fact grossly overestimating how misleading that graph is. Again, I totally agree that we could have more meaningful data that would be much more useful, but at least part of the reason for that lack of data is intentional, even in cases where we might actually have it. How many times have we seen the CDC refuse to release data based on very questionable reasoning? That said, we have what we have in this case, and to illustrate why I think your assumptions are faulty, I'll point out just a couple: But I'd bet $10 to a knob of goat poop that most pregnant women were frightened and got vaxxed with ACE2 destroyer to save their baby and themselves. I guess about 95% would go along with it.... I guess 95% of pregnant women during the high vaxx months got the vaxx. Maybe 90%. Again, easy data to collect. That would be a bad bet, at least here in the US. Perhaps it's different in your country, but according to the CDC: "Among 46,079 pregnant women with live births and gestational age available, 10,064 (21.8%) received =1 COVID-19 vaccine doses during pregnancy and during December 15, 2020–July 22, 2021" cdc.gov Now these stats are not covering the same period, but I reckon that % holds pretty true, and fits with my anecdotal reckoning. So the normal rate of normal vaccinations during the first 3 or 5 months of pregnancy or the month or two previous would be tiny. I do believe you're off base on this assumption as well. The covid vaccines were seen as quite different by pregnant women than vaccines that have been around, tested, and accepted for many years (as well they should be, by everyone). The CDC and practicing physicians have long recommended flu vaccines for pregnant women. While I have no doubt the same is true for the new Covid vaccines, I think pregnant women have been especially fearful of the new vaccines (that motherly instinct). "Flu vaccination coverage for pregnant persons 18 to 49 years based on data from CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink. Data updated December 9, 2022.Data as of December 3, 2022:Overall coverage as of end of October 2022 is 36.2% for all pregnant persons, lowest (20.4%) for non-Hispanic, Black pregnant persons, and highest (51.6%) for non-Hispanic, Asian pregnant persons.Overall coverage at the end of October 2022 was 12.4 percentage points lower compared with the end of October 2021 (36.2% compared with 48.6%) and 22.0 percentage points lower than at the end of October 2020 (36.2% compared with 58.2%)."cdc.gov Again, maybe not exactly the same time frames, but I think this number gives us a general idea. We can see that pre-covid, the flu vaccination % for pregnant women was actually significantly higher than that for the covid vaccination. These numbers did taper off during the Covid period, but the flu vaccination % still exceeded that of the Covid vax for any period. Thus the assertion that prior vaccinations in pregnant women was "tiny" in comparison, making the graph misleading, is in fact misleading itself. The number of prior vaccinations in pregnant women pre-covid far exceeds that of those pregnant women receiving covid vaccinations, so if adjusted for % uptake, the graph would be even more dramatic. By the way, I didn't make any direct comparisons, but this graph reminds me very much of the spike seen in the general VAERS graph, which perhaps should not be so surprising. Thanks for your reply- I learned a new word in your PS! :)

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (773642)	12/11/2022 9:02:08 PM
From: jpdunwell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793639

PS> I'm glad you like my posts and that I enticed you to write as you post exiguously, so that's a nice compliment you gave by posting. I'm glad you took it the way it was intended, as I would not have asked for your insight if I did not think I could learn something from you. Maybe you or one of the others here can help me with something else. SI notifies me when I get a reply or recommendation to one of my posts. I have noticed that the recommendations here seem to appear initially, but then later disappear from the "New rec's" notifications and "New Recommendations of my messages" list. If I go back to those posts with the new recommendations, I can see the new recommendations are still there, but for some reason, no longer seem to appear in the above stats. Does anyone know why this happens?