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To: carranza2 who wrote (775806)	1/17/2023 7:36:54 AM
From: Winfastorlose	15 Recommendations Recommended By alanrs Arran Yuan Ben Smith frankw1900 Hoa Hao and 10 more members Respond to of 793838

It is far worse than that and no amount of whining posts on the part of greenspirit will change it. Ukraine never stopped shelling and killing ethnic Russians in the Donbass. The aggressor was Ukraine. Simple. The rest is propaganda.

To: carranza2 who wrote (775806)	1/17/2023 8:25:31 AM
From: Maple MAGA	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793838

I’m not interested in the personal opinions of ass kissing Putin apologists. Anyone can see Zelenskyy is hopelessly corrupt but there is no excuse for the barbaric transgression on Ukraine and her people. Anyone that thinks differently should be ashamed of themselves. I know Lindy would have squelched Ski for pushing his Russian agenda.

To: carranza2 who wrote (775806)	1/17/2023 2:20:25 PM
From: TimF	2 Recommendations Recommended By Alastair McIntosh John Koligman Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793838

You can interpret the situation is that Macron was acting in bad faith, but if so that would be a reason for Russia to be mad at France, not invade Ukraine. And Russia was clearly acting in bad faith from an even earlier point in the history of the building conflict. The Minsk agreements, in addition to having very different interpretations esp. on timing (who does what first), were themselves a product of Russian aggression which was a violation of a previous agreement by Russia (Budapest Memorandum). The 2015 deal also called for Ukraine to be neutral Mink 2? No it didn't. The closest it comes to that is "Pullout of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, and also mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine". Pullout doesn't mean "there shall never be any foreign military in Ukraine; but even if it did - 1 - NATO membership is possible without foreign bases and non-local forces. 2 - Russia would have violated it by its invasion. But NATO membership is pretty irrelevant to the invasion almost a year ago anyway, since there had been no movement towards NATO membership, not was there any prospect of Ukrainian membership except perhaps in the very long term (and only in the sense that everything can change in the long run).