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To: marcher who wrote (195891)2/5/2023 5:44:10 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 217769
 
Re <<balloon>>

... let's see what happened to cause Le Le (happy happy) to die, and if the cops are called, the spin revs up, a guess

scmp.com

Chinese team to investigate death of giant panda Le Le in the US


- The male panda was due to be sent back to its birthplace this year but died suddenly last week

- Postmortem examination will be carried out to determine cause of death

Published: 8:30pm, 5 Feb, 2023



Chinese and American scientists will investigate the cause of death of giant panda Le Le at Memphis Zoo last week. Photo: Xinhua

China will send experts to a zoo in the southeastern United States to look into the death of a giant panda that was set to return to China after 20 years.

The Chinese team will join American scientists to investigate the cause of death of Le Le, who died on Wednesday morning at Memphis Zoo in the state of Tennessee, according to the Chinese Association of Zoological Gardens.

Le Le, whose name means “Happy Happy”, was born in 1998 and sent to the US zoo in 2003.

“Authorities in China are very concerned about the sudden death of the giant panda Le Le,” the association said on Sunday.

“They have notified US counterparts to properly store the body and will send an expert team to the zoo as soon as possible.”

In December, the zoo said male Le Le, along with female Ya Ya, would be sent back to China in early 2023 after a 20-year loan agreement ended, a move celebrated on Chinese social media.

Animal rights groups had claimed that the zoo was mistreating the pandas. Memphis Zoo denied the accusation as well as suggestions the return of the pandas was related to the claims.

A spokesman for the zoo told Reuters the return was part of the agreement with China that required foreign zoos to allow the loaned pandas to spend their final days on Chinese soil.

Senior veterinary surgeon Felicia Knightly said on Friday that days before the panda died, Le Le was not eating well for a couple of hours, possibly because of a stomach upset, but was soon “completely normal”.

She said experts from the US and China would complete a postmortem examination to find the reason for his death.

The life expectancy of a giant panda in the wild is about 15 years, but in captivity they have lived to be as old as 38.

Decades of conservation efforts in the wild and study in captivity saved the giant panda from extinction, increasing its population from fewer than 1,000 at one time to more than 1,800 in the wild and captivity.

China has long been sending pandas overseas as a diplomatic tool to strengthen ties. In 1972, after US president Richard Nixon met Chinese leader Mao Zedong, China gave pandas Ling Ling and Xing Xing to the United States.

Most pandas go to developed countries with geopolitical clout and that can pay the panda leasing fees of up to US$1 million annually, as well as meet the cost of their special enclosures and diet.

The top panda recipients in 2019 – the US with 11, Japan with nine and South Korea with four – were also among China’s biggest trading partners.



To: marcher who wrote (195891)2/5/2023 6:02:10 PM
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Re <<balloon>>

Given that there is a second balloon of exactly same description floating across South America at this moment newsweek.com
Colombia Releases Information on Second Chinese Balloon
"Through defense systems, the Colombian Air Force tracked the object until it left [Colombian] airspace. In this way, it was determined that it did not represent a threat to national security and defense, as well as to aviation safety."
Investigations have been undertaken to establish the origin of the object.
While Chinese business opportunities have expanded in Colombia in recent years, the country reportedly does not have strong political ties with Beijing.

... and that one might float to Europe or might land in South America, either controlled by wind or humans, and if controlled by humans, perhaps tack to the north, unusually, and go against the wind and revisit Montana.

We must be careful with premature conclusion w/r to the nature of balloons, in general and in particular, lest crow served up later sushi or sashimi, steamed or broiled, grilled, or boiled, with freedom fries and salad, or battered in sweet & sour sauce.

zerohedge.com

The Chinese 'Spy Balloon' Story As Manufactured Crisis: An Alternative Reading

Previous constant headlines of the Ukraine-Russia war were put on pause Friday into Saturday as the American public's attention and discourse got temporarily consumed by the bizarre Chinese 'spy balloon' saga, which grew more dramatic by the hour until it was shot down by the Pentagon over the Atlantic Ocean.

But few are currently asking the necessary deeper questions related to the timing. Given the last major balloon crisis to take over 24/7 network news coverage ended up being a complete hoax (remember the "balloon boy" stunt of 2009 which had the world breathless and on edge for a full news cycle?), the current context to the Chinese balloon story and the question of cui bono is worth a deeper dive...

Images: The Billings Gazette/AP


Entrepreneur and geopolitical commentator Arnaud Bertrand, who as a Westerner has spent many years living in China and frequently attempts to correct the often misleading analysis of mainstream press reports, offers an 'alternative view' of what's fast unfolding below [emphasis ZH's)...

* * *

"I took a bit of time to dissect the “spy balloon” story - both how it is portrayed in the US and China’s response," Bertrand begins a lengthy thread. As you'll see, the more you think about it, the more stunned you get at the sheer absurdity of the whole thing."

First, the US story.

China sent a “spy balloon” over highly strategic US sites. It chose to spy on these sites with a big visible balloon (reported as being “as big as multiple school buses”), that anyone can see with the naked eye from the ground, to “demonstrate it had the capability”, despite having a plethora of other more discreet ways to spy like satellites or stealth drones.

Unclear that anyone doubted China had mastered the technology of *check notes* hot air balloons and why it therefore needed to demonstrate this capability… China chose to do so on the eve of Secretary of States Blinken’s visit to China, where he was invited, and hours after signaling Blinken would also be meeting with Xi during his visit, a high-level meeting not granted to any US Secretary of States in years.

The story therefore being that China chose to disrupt a meeting with its own president and to sabotage its own efforts at détente in the US-China conflict... The Pentagon said it had been “tracking the balloon for quite some time” and that it wasn’t the first time such an incident occurred, but this time - for unclear reasons - it chose to do a public announcement. As a result, Blinken announced he was postponing his China trip.

Now the story from the Chinese side.

To them this is a fluke accident, the balloon being “a civilian airship used for research, mainly meteorological, purposes” that “deviated far from its planned course” because of strong “Westerlies” (wind that flows west to east) and “limited self-steering capability”, the main characteristic of a balloon being of course that it can only go up or down.

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A piece in WaPo seems to confirm this, quoting “experts in national security and aerospace [who] said the craft appears to share characteristics with high-altitude balloons used by developed countries around the world for weather forecasting.”

(Source: washingtonpost.com/world/2023/02/… )

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The Pentagon itself said that “the payload wouldn’t offer much in the way of surveillance that China couldn’t collect through spy satellites” and that “the balloon posed no serious physical or intelligence threat”.

I.e. the Pentagon themselves say it would make zero sense for China to use a balloon like this for intelligence purposes when it has satellites. Kind of begs the question why they decided to make a big deal out of it in the first place…

I'll let you decide for yourself which story makes more sense… The sheer ridiculousness of this Nth “red scare” episode is absolutely obvious to anyone with an iota of common sense. Except, sadly, common sense seems to be in critically short supply nowadays.

Also, as often, the real story is probably why this story became a story in the first place.

And the important context here is of course Blinken’s visit to China, which could - one can always dream - have been a step towards some form of de-escalation in China-US rapports. It was quite easily foreseeable that a story like this one on the eve of the trip would have made it politically very difficult for Blinken to go.

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So a plausible hypothesis is that this whole episode is an attempt by internal US forces to prevent any US-China détente. One alternative hypothesis, much less likely, is that it’s internal Chinese forces trying to do the same thing by sending this big balloon.

Unlikely because:
a) China has time on its side so it gains from reduced tensions with the US and there isn’t any obvious “faction” in China who believe the contrary
b) it’d be immensely risky for anyone in China to do something like this as it’d undoubtedly be seen as an act of high treason with grave consequences for themselves
c) again, balloons like this particular one basically can’t be steered so...

To plan sending a balloon like this from China to a place over US land isn’t even doable in the first place. The last hypothesis, which I guess is also somewhat likely, is that this is a series of unfortunate events without any malice on either side.
1) Balloon deviates from course and gets in US airspace,
2) people see it and Pentagon feels it has to communicate about it
3) the media, wearing their usual “China bad” hat, decide to go all-in on the scare-mongering,
4) political opposition and China hawks jump on the bandwagon,
5) administration feels it has no other choice than to cancel the trip and doesn’t have the political courage to say “this is just a balloon that drifted off course”.


Well I guess in this scenario there is in fact malice on the media’s part and that of politicians and wider members of the blob but it’s “organic malice”, so to speak, jumping at a golden opportunity to scare-monger.

Conclusion: however you see it, this story is absolutely shameful and a sad reflection of the insane times we live in, when rather than take the time to carefully consider facts, apply reason and common sense, we instead choose as a society to incite fear and hostility.



To: marcher who wrote (195891)2/5/2023 6:47:43 PM
From: TobagoJack  Respond to of 217769
 
Re <<balloon>> interim conclusion seems rude on the kibitz arena re balloon until new info available. In the meantime I remain agnostic until the second balloon is 'recovered' or otherwise drops off of the I-net irrespective of weaponisation and possible eventual accusations of election-interference

whoever decided to blow the balloon incident might best come up to be tried for treason, for giving comfort to Russia Russia Russia invaders of Ukraine

nairaland.com
The Operation To Neutralize The Chinese Balloon Involved:(pix) - Foreign Affairs - Nairaland

nypost.com
The Navy has deployed multiple ships, including the destroyer USS Oscar Austin, the cruiser USS Philippine Sea and the USS Carter Hall, an amphibious landing ship, to support the recovery efforts.
dailymail.co.uk
How $200m F-22 Raptor shot down Chinese spy balloon with $400k Sidewinder missile – and possibly paid homage to WW1 ace the 'Arizona Balloon Buster' with their callsigns
zerohedge.com
"It's Disinformation": Trump, Former Officials Slam Anonymous Report Of Chinese Spy Balloons Under Their Watch


thehill.com

FAA resumes flights at three airports after Chinese balloon shot down


The U.S. is tracking a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon that has been spotted over U.S. airspace for a couple days, but the Pentagon decided not to shoot it down due to risks of harm for people on the ground, officials said Thursday, Feb. 2, 2023. (Larry Mayer/The Billings Gazette via AP)

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has resumed flights at three airports in North Carolina and South Carolina after pausing them temporarily as the Chinese surveillance balloon moved across those states before reaching the Atlantic Ocean.

The FAA said in a statement on Saturday that it paused departures and arrivals at Wilmington International Airport in North Carolina and Myrtle Beach International and Charleston International airports in South Carolina to support the Defense Department in a “national security effort.” They also closed additional airspace.

The agency reported around 3:15 p.m. that flights to and from these airports resumed and the airspace has been reopened. This comes after U.S. officials reportedly shot down the suspected spy balloon over ocean, and are working to clean up the debris.

The White House avoided shooting it down while was over land, because of concerns that falling debris could injure people on the ground.

The Twitter account Flightradar24, which tracks air traffic internationally in real time, tweeted a picture showing an area off the coast of North Carolina and South Carolina that flights have been told to avoid without authorization to be there.

Almost no flight was in the area based on the picture posted just after 2 p.m.

Officials said balloon was traveling at about 60,000 feet above the ground, which is considerably higher than the roughly 40,000 feet maximum altitude that commercial airplanes fly at.

The Chinese government has denied that the balloon’s purpose is surveillance, claiming that it is a weather balloon that went off course, and said it did not intend to violate any country’s sovereignty.

U.S. officials have rejected this and have stood by their conclusion that the balloon’s purpose is surveillance.

Updated at 3:37 p.m.



To: marcher who wrote (195891)2/5/2023 8:24:14 PM
From: Pogeu Mahone  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 217769
 
Why not go back to bow and arrow days?

We live here. The head of the IMF just said she wants to take 1.5 trillion yearly from U.S.
to support equality around the (third) world. Great idea turn the U.S. into poverty ridden America but faster.

We are all entitled to go to Nigeria with cutie pie if we want.

Why are we importing incest practicing deviants like Ilhan Omar when it is illegal in U.S.? And letting them make the law?

In other words, incest is sexual contact between close blood relatives, including brothers and sisters, parents and children, grandparents and grandchildren, or aunts or uncles with nephews or nieces. Incest is a crime in all states, even if consensual by both parties.


LOL

Tech has far outpaced antique steam engines but lets pretend we have to be governed by those times.

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A steam engine (of sorts) was invented by Hero of Alexandria over 2000 years ago. It would probably be better to think of it as a simple steam turbine.



when do you expect china to shoot down a u.s. aerial object?
Lets send a few balloons and find out Test them, what did they just do to us? Let them wonder what is in them!

Opps we farked up. Sorry guys and by the way we will retaliate.




The Chinese should be apologizing not the Americans.

Bill Gates favorite song?

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