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To: Pogeu Mahone who wrote (195947)2/6/2023 10:10:51 PM
From: TobagoJack  Respond to of 217752
 
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too much fun that the competing political parties twisting knickers tighter



To: Pogeu Mahone who wrote (195947)2/6/2023 10:19:43 PM
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<<balloons>>
... fresh update, and apparently Latin America domains are so far so good with the peaceful-rise balloon ... perhaps if the balloon was coloured red different reaction would have been engendered, time shall tell

as far as Chinese balloons in the US, am told there are plenty in Walmart big box shops. As far as know so far, USAF has no plans to fire missiles at the targets

nytimes.com

Another Chinese Balloon Flew Over Latin America, China Confirms

The Chinese government said the balloon that Colombia spotted in its airspace on Friday was for civilian purposes and was being used for flight tests.

Feb. 6, 2023
Updated 9:32 p.m. ET



A Chinese balloon floating off the coast of South Carolina before being shot down by an American fighter jet on Saturday.Chad Fish, via Associated Press

A Chinese balloon floated over Latin America and the Caribbean, the Chinese government confirmed on Monday, adding that it was for civilian purposes and was being used for flight tests.

“Affected by the weather and with limited self-steering capability, the airship deviated far from its planned course and entered into the airspace of Latin America and the Caribbean,” a spokeswoman for China’s foreign ministry, Mao Ning, said at a news conference on Monday.

On Friday morning, before the United States shot down a Chinese spy balloon that had spent the last week traversing the country, the Colombian National Air Defense System detected an object that had entered the northern part of the country’s airspace, the Colombian Air Force said in a statement.

Officials determined that the object had “characteristics similar to those of a balloon,” and that it was flying at an altitude of over 55,000 feet and moving at an average speed of 25 knots.

On Saturday, the United States confirmed that a balloon was observed transiting Central and South America, and said that it was another Chinese surveillance balloon.

“These balloons are all part of a P.R.C. fleet of balloons developed to conduct surveillance operations, which have also violated the sovereignty of other countries,” Brig. Gen. Patrick S. Ryder, the Pentagon’s press secretary, told reporters.

The Colombian Air Force said it had tracked the object until it left the country’s airspace, adding that officials determined it did not pose a threat to national security and were investigating its origin.

On Sunday, the Venezuelan Ministry of Foreign Affairs, referring to the U.S. decision to shoot down the balloon, said the government “rejects the attack by the United States against a civilian unmanned aircraft of Chinese origin.” In a statement, the Venezuelan government said, “Once again, the United States resorts to the use of force, instead of treating this situation with the seriousness and responsibility that the case deserves.”

President Nicolás Maduro of Venezuela has recently proposed establishing a new international bloc of Latin American and Caribbean countries and referred to Presidents Xi Jinping of China and Vladimir V. Putin of Russia as each being an “older brother.”

Ms. Mao said that the Chinese government had informed relevant officials in other nations about the balloon flying over Latin America and that “they have expressed their understanding.”

The United States, Ms. Mao said, had “a clear overreaction.”

Elda Cantú contributed reporting from Mexico City.

A version of this article appears in print on Feb. 7, 2023, Section A, Page 12 of the New York edition with the headline: China Admits 2nd ‘Airship’ Traversed Caribbean. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe



To: Pogeu Mahone who wrote (195947)2/6/2023 10:31:55 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 217752
 
Appears the balloons shall be with us awhile longer, because the balloon is possibly smarter than the spies watching the balloons, as there appears to be an understanding gap.

I would like to see evidence of a balloon that travels on Westerlies as definitive proof that the balloons are steerable.
VanHerck said at the briefing Monday that Norad had failed to detect the earlier balloons and later learned about them from the US intelligence community. “I will tell you that we did not detect those threats. And that’s a domain awareness gap that we have to figure out,” he said.
Typically balloons like the one shot down fly above 80,000 feet and as high as 100,000 feet. This time, the Chinese balloon flew low enough to be spotted by commercial pilots and people on the ground.
China used the balloon’s “maneuverability to strategically position themselves to utilize the winds to traverse portions of countries that they want to see. But this gave us the opportunity to assess what they were actually doing, what kind of capabilities existed on the balloon, what kind of transmission capabilities existed,” VanHerck said. The latest information only deepened the administration’s conviction that the balloon wasn’t “mainly” a weather-monitoring device as Chinese officials have claimed.

bloomberg.com

China Balloon Saga Spotlights Beijing’s Global Spying Push

Salvaged debris may be intelligence boon for US spy agencies China says scientific research balloons were blown off course

Iain Marlow
7 February 2023 at 08:31 GMT+8
The high-profile spectacle of an alleged Chinese surveillance balloon flying over the continental US is shining a spotlight on the prevalence of similar incidents around the world, from Taipei to Latin America.

While the US is believed to use such devices, officials have said the balloon shot down off the South Carolina coast this weekend is part of a broader global surveillance program rolled out by Beijing. It highlights the escalating intelligence battle between the US and China, utilizing everything from geostationary satellites and signals intercepts to old-fashioned spy craft. Now balloons have suddenly been thrust back to the fore as a key part of that arsenal.



A Chinese surveillance balloon is downed off the coast of South Carolina, US, on Feb. 4.

Photographer: Chad Fish/AP Photo

Officials in Beijing conceded that the balloon that drifted across the US mainland last week came from China, but they rejected the Pentagon’s claim that it was intended for spying, instead suggesting it was a purely meteorological instrument that drifted off track, and accusing Washington of hyping the incident.

That assertion may be harder to sustain as the US recovers parts of the balloon from debris scattered over a patch of about three-quarters of a square mile (1.9 square kilometers). The device was 200 feet (61 meters) tall and similar in size to an Embraer regional jet, said General Glen VanHerck, head of the North American Aerospace Defense Command.

In recent years, Chinese balloons have been spotted over countries across five continents, including in East Asia, South Asia and Europe, a senior US defense official said Saturday. The balloons had been previously spotted near Texas, Florida and Hawaii, as well as the Pacific Ocean island of Guam, where the US has naval and air force bases, people familiar with the matter said separately Monday.

In Taiwan, a balloon was reported to have hovered for several hours over the Taipei’s Songshan Airport, which is also used by the military base, in March, Central Weather Bureau Director-General Cheng Ming-dean said in an interview with local media. He said the balloon was similar to the one spotted in the US last week.

Read More: Balloon Recovery Begins as US Weighs What China Leaders Knew

The news of balloons appearing over Taiwan sparked concern in Taipei, with lawmakers from across the political spectrum urging the military to be on alert and to explain their procedures for how they plan to handle any future incursions. The balloons have been around for a long time, Cheng wrote in a Facebook =AZVT5QEVaUuQLp7jorObh4UzA-AcmDA7xMeBQk73gyoiE30jQ9x9fEdJ9ruIm24Zp6EndXWI1sF7eB5OPSCjUXvQRe9NhQUepjg0XItYpWRjhABX_wE2dMoVbi9Piy3qQTHc-b86FZEd-N7aTvqz-qI5tKDSkaFs6u2gM7JBJMbmFw&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R]post on Saturday. He previously cited a high-altitude balloon seen hovering over Taipei in 2021.

Japanese media have reported at least two visually-similar balloons floating over different parts of the country. After a sighting over northeast Japan in 2020, then-Defense Minister Kono Taro said at the time he had confirmed it didn’t belong to the country’s Self-Defense Forces’ weather section. In the end, Japan’s police and military were unable to confirm who launched it, or why, broadcaster TV Asahi said. A second incident occurred in 2021.

Under President Xi Jinping, China has overhauled its military — pouring hundreds of billions of dollars into reorganizing the command structure and upgrading everything from warships to missile stockpiles. That includes investing in the near-space area as well. Those are regions “too high for most airplanes, too low for satellites,” which the Chinese consider a separate domain, according to William Kim, a consultant at The Marathon Initiative, a Washington-based think tank.

On Monday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning told reporters that a balloon reported over Latin America was, like the US one, also blown off course because it has “limited self-steering capability.” She said China follows international law, adding that “we will not pose any threat to any country.”



A US Coast Guard helicopter flies over a debris field during recovery efforts of a high-altitude surveillance balloon in the Atlantic Ocean on Feb. 4.

Source: US Navy

US-China Relations: A Long History of Balloons, Bombs and Drones

Balloons like the one blown apart Saturday aren’t uncommon. Alleged Chinese spy balloons were spotted on several occasions during President Donald Trump’s administration, including three instances where they traveled near sensitive US military facilities and training areas, according to people familiar with the matter.

VanHerck said at the briefing Monday that Norad had failed to detect the earlier balloons and later learned about them from the US intelligence community. “I will tell you that we did not detect those threats. And that’s a domain awareness gap that we have to figure out,” he said.

Typically balloons like the one shot down fly above 80,000 feet and as high as 100,000 feet. This time, the Chinese balloon flew low enough to be spotted by commercial pilots and people on the ground.

China used the balloon’s “maneuverability to strategically position themselves to utilize the winds to traverse portions of countries that they want to see. But this gave us the opportunity to assess what they were actually doing, what kind of capabilities existed on the balloon, what kind of transmission capabilities existed,” VanHerck said. The latest information only deepened the administration’s conviction that the balloon wasn’t “mainly” a weather-monitoring device as Chinese officials have claimed.

Balloon Capabilities

“They’re going to want to give evidence that this is indeed a surveillance balloon and debunk the idea that this is some sort of weather balloon,” Kim, of the Marathon Initiative said.

They’ll also be looking to understand the capabilities of the Chinese military. “What are they using to gather intelligence essentially?” he added. “If it’s taking pictures, which we don’t know yet, what kind of camera does it have on? If it’s collecting signals, which is another theory, what kind of intelligence-collection capabilities does it have?”

There’s also interest in whether the US can use the salvaged equipment to assess whether it contains technology from the US or its allies, as well the original manufacturers.

“The key question that no one is asking is who makes these balloons,” said Michael Raska, assistant professor and coordinator of the Military Transformations Programme at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore. If US officials can access the data or software code of the system, they may be able to retrieve some digital footprints, he said.

— With assistance by Bruce Einhorn, Isabel Reynolds, Samson Ellis, Philip Glamann, Chi Yui Siu, Jennifer Jacobs and Jenny Leonard

(Updates with new details on device from fourth paragraph.)



To: Pogeu Mahone who wrote (195947)2/7/2023 2:48:43 AM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 217752
 
Sentiment survey by balloon … as is season to be silly, I note what Bloomberg notes …

bloomberg.com

Everything We Know Right Now About China's Second Balloon

Low De Wei7 February 2023 at 15:26 GMT+8



A Chinese surveillance balloon that was shot down after flying over the US at the end of January.

Photographer: Larry Mayer/AP Photo

As the US attempts to recover the sunken remains of a huge Chinese surveillance balloon it blasted out of the sky with a missile, Beijing acknowledged ownership of a second balloon spotted drifting over several Latin American countries.

Although this particular aircraft hasn’t generated the same level of excitement as the one over US territory — largely because the countries under its flight path appeared unconcerned by its presence — its existence further raises questions about the extent of Chinese surveillance. Here’s everything we know about the second balloon right now:

Where was the second balloon first spotted?

The US Department of Defense said on the night of Feb. 3 that it had seen reports of a balloon transiting Latin America, and assessed that it was a Chinese surveillance balloon akin to one that flew over the US toward the end of January.

Where has it gone since?

The balloon made its way across various Latin American countries, but the response from those nations was muted. Colombia’s Air Force issued a statement Saturday saying it had detected an object flying at 55,000 feet (17,000 meters) entering the country’s airspace in the north a day earlier, which was then monitored until it left Colombian airspace. It said the balloon “didn’t represent a threat to national security and defense, as well as air safety.” Local media also reported that the balloon flew over Costa Rica and Venezuela without incident.

And where is it now?

It is not immediately clear.

What has China said about the second balloon?

China on Monday admitted ownership of the balloon seen floating over Latin America, but denied it was there for surveillance purposes. Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning said on Feb. 6 that it was a unmanned civilian airship with limited self-steering capability blown off course due to the weather. The explanation echoes an earlier one offered for the balloon shot down by the US, which China said was also a civilian vehicle used for meteorological and other research purposes that had deviated from its planned course due to westerly winds.

Will this balloon be shot down too?

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It appears unlikely. No Latin American countries expressed a desire to shoot the balloon down, unlike the first which was being closely tracked in US airspace. Moreover, while there had been significant domestic political pressure for the US to bring down the balloon, it is a different picture in Latin America where many countries enjoy cordial economic and diplomatic relations with the Chinese. In fact, Venezuela was outraged at the US decision to shoot down the original balloon, which it said was an “attack by the United States against an unmanned civilian aircraft of Chinese origin.”

Could there be more up there?

It’s possible, although they may be hard to detect. In recent years, Chinese balloons have been spotted over countries across five continents, a senior US defense official said on Feb. 4. Last March, a balloon was reported to have hovered for several hours over Taipei’s Songshan Airport, while Japan is also looking into whether two “flying objects” spotted in June 2020 and September 2021 are connected to the one shot down at the weekend. In the US, balloons have previously been located near near Texas, Florida and Hawaii, as well as close to the Pacific Ocean island of Guam, where the US has naval and air force bases. Authorities failed to detect those balloons and only learned about them from the US intelligence community later.

— With assistance by Lindsey Rupp and Ryotaro Nakamaru

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