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To: sm1th who wrote (23821)	2/24/2023 7:12:38 PM
From: TimF	2 Recommendations Recommended By kidl THE WATSONYOUTH Respond to of 23908

To an extent we can't afford not to. If he has some delusion we can't reorder the world to fit it. Which doesn't mean that we should pay them no mind at all. His opinions drive his actions and his actions can be meaningful. But I'm not even sure that Putin really does see it as aggression (he clearly views it as unacceptable but that isn't the same thing). And the way he has acted with Ukraine shows that expanding NATO to countries like Poland and the Baltics was a good thing. In any case the main point of the post you replied to was that even if you accept the crazy idea that it was aggression by NATO, it wasn't aggression by Ukraine. I'd add that I think the invasion of Ukraine has little directly to do with the expansion of NATO. Indirectly yes it pissed Putin off (and there is the reverse type of connection in that it could happen because NATO didn't expand to Ukraine), but Ukraine had not been moving towards NATO membership and had no near or even medium term prospect of becoming a member. The invasion instead increased the chance that Ukraine becomes part of NATO (from infinitesimal to merely extremely low), and created the push for Finland and Sweden to join.