SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Strategies & Market Trends : 2026 TeoTwawKi ... 2032 Darkest Interregnum -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (197561)3/21/2023 9:40:06 PM
From: sense  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 217884
 
No... not "capitalism" being particularly over-weighted... vs. "aggrandizement of state power" being so... under which ever label or brand...

But, that still within "no difference between communists, capitalists and kings"... and the shared fundamental error in their core concepts...

Where you see it most obviously in error in "capitalism" is in the fraud of claiming that: "free markets" consist of removing government from the field so that capitalists can compete freely, without any restriction... That's not me denying that government certainly can be, usually is, "an obstacle" that is wrongly destructive of market function... while still pointing out the vacuousness of that assertion re laissez-faire being "freedom" of markets from any other influence... but not requiring freedom within them ?

Also, of course... it makes no sense to presume "the founders got everything exactly right"... thus absolving us of any responsibility to bother with more than mouthing platitudes, or even trying to understand their work... much less doing such work as required to CONTINUE it... and... ?

Government is so easily captured and controlled (subverted) by those with the time and $ to apply to the task... that no one is ever overly surprised by anything consistent with that... also why the founders spent much time on it... still leaving it true that those with a lot of money or power take it as proof of their individual superiority... and a "sign of God's approval" enabling them in "divine right" of doing... whatever they want... and calling that "the right thing"... But, that's as true of power as of money, and as true of Stalin or Castro as it is of the Rothschilds, Gates, and Soros's of the world... or, our other modern day actual kings... in Saudi Arabia, Russia, or China, and their various vassals, sycophants and wannabee hangers on ? Throwing Biden in the pot with them... not gonna hurt my feelings ?

And, that also is why "All men are created equal"... and the American victory in the war waged against, not "the monarchy" but, "monarchy"... proves to be the pivot point around which all things have been spun... in a way that disrupts all of prior human history... You should expect nothing other than "communists, capitalists and kings" all claiming credit for any incremental improvements resulting from the rest of us telling them to shove off... while, at the same time, seeking to undo all of it ?

It's also clear that the transitions enabled or "the pivot" around that new stake in the ground... with the U.S. Constitution being the first practical embodiment of the ideological ferment of the era... was not a thing "they" gladly and willingly accepted... or have ever quit seeking to terminate... communists, capitalists and kings all on the same side of that argument... seeking to reign in others freedom... as they find is necessary in justifying their taking ownership of (and all their usurpations of and from) others.

Xi has as much rightful claim to Taiwan... Putin to "ownership" of eastern Ukraine... as I do...

And the rest is bull shit...

It being obviously based in bull shit... never yet, ever, having stopped an idiot from doing stupid things... ?

And, always reality, again... you don't get to make the other guys choices for him... pretend you can at peril.

Communism, capitalism, and monarchy... are all and only about "who owns you"... and the psychopathy of those who believe that materialism alone defines reality, and thus seek to exercise that power they can based on their (errors in) belief, and ego ?

The European origins of communism... inherited wholesale the monarchists belief that all citizens are the property of the state... and the state itself is the property of the king... Marx had no fundamental dispute with that... only protested that formerly exclusive power of kings being usurped from kings by capitalists in the Industrial Revolution... enabling them in owning and abusing the urban serfs in new ways... so his counter proposal... pretended to restore the prior status quo extant under monarchy, or, make serfs collectively into kings... without addressing any other concern... The German philosophers in discussing "freedom"... mean the unfettered degrees of freedom of the state in acting as a state. They do not correlate that understanding of the concept... as a thing that's even relevant to persons, who are property of the state ? Ask Germans, even today... if they believe that German citizens are the property of the state... ?

Communists, capitalists, and kings... share the fundamental belief in people being property... able to be treated as property... only share a quibble or two about best optimizing the (kings) management of property... while also, of course, quibbling over who should be king... and doing some bit of mumbling, as required, to distract those they (seek to) own... from awareness of what they clearly show to be true about their beliefs...



Reducing people to objects... is an unavoidable requirement of any philosophy that is inherently grounded in understanding and fundamentally defining the world, and our place in it, in purely materialistic terms... With everything of import being defined in material terms... there is no other possible way to consider people as existing outside of "that reality" which they have defined with those immutable limits ?

The idea that people are NOT property... and CANNOT BE property... without committing a fundamental crime against nature... is of a different nature, entirely...

But, you can engage the debate about slavery, opposing it as a less than optimal choice in the management of state property, as seeking to retain ownership and exercise control by other means... without altering any of those fundamentally materialistic beliefs...

And, that imposes a need to begin to study U.S. history... not as "the Constitution and free markets vs the external world"... but as the domestic battlefield in which that contest was and is still being unilaterally waged as an ongoing and unresolved civil war... if one that is not, and never has been, free of external influences.

The leading role of globalist bankers in prosecuting that war... is not exactly a recent innovation... but a constant, since 1812, and before ?

"All men are created equal"... draws a clear distinction between itself... and "all men are property"... as is the meaning and shared intent of the materialists statement and belief... paired along with their quibble over who gets to be king.

That's also the issue in the fraud of capitalists claiming capitalism is about ownership, as if in context of "free markets"... while seeking to eliminate any interference that would apply any limits to whatever they want to do... even taking it upon themselves to determine, for us, "how many people" there should be... ?

Free markets... and capitalism... are diametrically opposed concepts... for that reason in origins...

Usually, seen in expression as capitalists seeking to 'take ownership" of "free markets" as a concept... in order to mislabel their championing the opposite in intent as that "perceived good"...

One is based on "he who has the gold makes the rules"... with the rule unchanged from that of kings... and both accepting and requiring that people are property... and have to be managed as such by others who own them...

The other is based on "freedom"... its (non-Germanic) origins not found based in a materialistic philosophy, or some badly mangled Hegelian dialectic making a hash of it... but, being fundamentally non-materialistic, as it also has no allowed function for enabling markets in existing, if that requires it violates the first premise...

"Free markets" are markets operated only within constraints... placing "freedom" first... as (primary, non-materialistic) right... ahead of any other materialistic concern... but, still, including extending that primary element in context of the material, as each man owning himself... and acting as an equal, independent agent, in commerce... none having greater right than another...

It is freedom that is the key driver of innovation... its non-materialism, and disproportion in the fact of and belief in it... what propelled America into global economic leadership... and that is the reason (foreign and domestic enemies and) opponents of freedom seek to inflict a false dichotomy of a two sided political competition between socialism and capitalism... as a deliberate distraction from their shared goal in the destruction of personal freedom...

The "innovation" in communism / socialism... is merely that in recognizing... "you (capitalist / king) may have the gold, but I have the gun... so give me the gold... and acknowledge me as king," which is, frankly, no innovation at all... a practical truth, the sad fact of which is typically covered over with vague and impenetrable language used to mask its utter vapidity... or, more recently, to mask their own vacuity, simply shouting down any who do actually have ideas... and are able to express them...