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To: Jamey who wrote (96)2/14/1998 8:43:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff  Respond to of 702
 
Dear James,
I would like to respond also. I have heard allot of things and seen allot of things done in the Churches (including the use of scripture to hate the Jewish people) and just want to hear the message of self denial and growth along with the news of grace. Remember 1 Corinthians that responsibility comes with freedom. I am not saying this to you but in response to a teaching that is out there and producing some scary fruit.
The real point to me is not to follow man made religion but seek a relationship with the living God Yeshua. I like the use of initials I have seen around that say WWDJ ( What would Jesus do?) I think that is a good reminder of our goal in all situations.
The time of His return is at hand and many would be decieved if it were possible that is why it is so critical for believers to keep an intense focus on the Lord totally and carefully set each foot on the tight rope knowing there is a net under us.
Again this is not to you but letting out a concern I have had over some teachings that go way overboard, Have a blessed day in the Lord, Nancy



To: Jamey who wrote (96)2/14/1998 12:40:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 702
 
James, good morning to you. Of all people who have lived under Grace and have been the recipient of it, I can think of no person I know personally who has benefited more. Likewise, I am constantly aware of the many, many sinful thought, word and deeds that are still in my life, and do not excuse any of them except of being of my flesh, period. So I don't like anyone to judge Jesus by myself. I could not in my wildest dreams approach being like Him except for rare moments in time.

As for Paul, I feel as Peter does. Peter saw things in the first couple of years he was worried about, and I have seen thousands and would rather not discuss them any more. For me, I am happy to return to the gospels, and when I finally did after hearing the Epistles of Paul and Paul only for years and years and years I realized how far from the mark the current church was from the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, in His flesh, setting a perfect example.

Beyond that, I believe it will best suit me to continue to spend my Bible time in the Gospels. I have no problem with that whatsoever.
Nor do I have problem with the writings of Paul, but I don't spend much time in the Psalms either. Actually, I have only so much time for the Bible, to sit and read it, and prefer to go directly to the Source and absorb what He said. Most of the Jesus Freak movement was more totally centered on the four gospels and the
Book of Acts. The teachings we had were all that were needed.
That is why America was almost turned upside down in a few years.

I don't believe the Lord would have me justify my love for the gospels any more than that. Nor was I particularly instructed by the Lord while He was on Earth to look more toward things to come. So, I don't think being attacked for loving the gospels is something that can be justified either. Nor do I have a problem with Grace, or God's unmerited forgiveness, or anything else.

Nor do I particularly need anything else at this point in my life but the Gospels and the words of Jesus. Looking at the Book of Acts is certainly one of the better inspirations on earth, also. But if you find what you need in Paul, stay in the epistles of Paul. Do what the Lord instructs you. I believe if you begin to listen very closely to EVERY sermon preached any more, correct me if I am wrong, but very little of it will be a about the actual life and words of Jesus Christ. The church spends more time on David's life often than Jesus in the course of the year. Why this is so, I can only guess. I believe it is because we have all grown so far from His example over the centuries, that it is best not to closely compare the preacher or the congregation to the actual life experience of Jesus.

Do you have another experience? Again, perhaps dwelling on Paul and Paul's ministry and Paul's words way down deep in my heart
disturbs me because my Lord and Savior is Jesus. I would rather study my Lord and Savior, than Paul talking about Him.

James, in all truth, there are much greater problems in this world for you to worry about. Can you see that? Please address something that the Lord also is worried about. Trust me, James, He doesn't mind my obsessing on Him at all.

Now, one more thing which might give you total peace about my understanding of Paul's explanation of God's Grace, which I didn't need from Paul because the Holy Spirit put it in my heart immediately anyway, if you want to know. I simply did not find vast new meaning anywhere outside the Gospels about anything. But. My name is Lowa Grace. My grandmother's are both named Grace. Grace is what both of them went by. I liked Lowa better, and went by Lowa until I was 19, at which time my best friend Linda, who thought Lowa sounded better than Linda, and we were very competitive with each other, one day said in her sweet southern accent, "you know, you seem more like Grace to me...I'm going to start calling you Grace." And by that worldly and silly way, the Lord slowly changed my name back to Grace, because a few years later I never went by Lowa again. So HE apparently wanted me to also be named Grace, quite obviously.

So, please don't worry about my understanding of Grace. I'm even named Grace, and couldn't get out of it.



To: Jamey who wrote (96)2/15/1998 10:52:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 702
 
My Dear James,
I want to encourage you my brother, the Ask God thread is a difficult place to go. Bob is basking in our absence and for some reason sees us as the problem. Oh well they can have their own thread and I will leave it to the Lord for later. Every person has some form of prejudism in the form of information and choices so it is not wise to criticize someone that is recognizing it and being able to give it to the Lord to overcome. When we have some who bask in it and obsess in it, that is when it becomes a sin. Remember the Lord said that men loved darkness and would not come into the light, to me He is saying they won't come to His light to have the sins exposed and disposed of. Then we have 1 John 1:9 and many others that state that it is about changing ones thinking to come in line with the Lord. We are all in that process and those that refuse to let go of hatred and sin will be disciplined for their refusal to let go and be healed. Well I thank God for you and hope you will take all these things to Him, Nancy